Thread: National community sites @ postgresql.org?
Hi, Currenlty we have pretty good growing pugs.postgresql.org page, that collects links to all local PUGs. As far as I can see, most (not all, but most) English-speaking PUGs sites are hosted directly at postgresql.org (or, more precisely, at pugs.postgresql.org). And all non-English speaking ones have their own sites -- like postgresqlfr.org or pgug.de. Here in Russia we have a problem with local domain --the most suitable one, postgresql.ru belongs to the person who doesn't want to donate it (or even to sell it) to the community. Currently we are considering Oleg's pgsql.ru as the most suitable name for hosting all the stuff in Russian language (articles, news, events calendar, forum, wiki, etc). During Russian community blog/wiki/etc setup process I've realized that it's strange that in many countries people do the same things separately. It would be much more useful, convenient and simply great if we have: - one infrastructure to host community sites for any community, country-wide or small one, in any language (news, events calendar, wiki, forums -- this list is almost everything one might to want to be happy); - uniform DNS scheme. For country-wide communities it would be great to have 3rd level domains delegated to host community sites (e.g., ru.postgresql.org -- this would be GREAT) and maybe ip2geo settings to show the notice suggesting proper community site directly on the main postgresql.org page. Particularly, I'd be glad to put Russian translation of PostgreSQL weekly news to this site. openoffice.org's infrastructure can be considered as some example of this thing -- it has ru.openoffice.org, de.openoffice.org, etc. This is not simple project, but it's doable. What do you think? -- Best regards, Nikolay
Hi Nikolay, I'm so excited that you've brought this up. I'm going to strongly disagree with the idea of creating a centralized web infrastructure. Despite the fact that I'm not managing the infrastructure, or really have much say about what ends up being implemented. :) I do like the idea of creating DNS redirection to existing community sites to help out with navigation. I have spent a lot of time thinking about these issues and researching things that go wrong in other communities. So please take my feedback on your idea in that spirit. On Tue, May 6, 2008 at 2:37 PM, Nikolay Samokhvalov <samokhvalov@gmail.com> wrote: > During Russian community blog/wiki/etc setup process I've realized > that it's strange that in many countries people do the same things > separately. It would be much more useful, convenient and simply great > if we have: > - one infrastructure to host community sites for any community, > country-wide or small one, in any language (news, events calendar, > wiki, forums -- this list is almost everything one might to want to be > happy); > - uniform DNS scheme. For country-wide communities it would be great > to have 3rd level domains delegated to host community sites (e.g., > ru.postgresql.org -- this would be GREAT) and maybe ip2geo settings to > show the notice suggesting proper community site directly on the main > postgresql.org page. I like the idea of a uniform DNS scheme that redirects to the community-hosted sites. At a minimum, we'll need a series of redirect pages set up to disambiguate when we've got multiple language/regional groups. -- I am opposed to the idea of offering *web* integration of all of the community sites into one massive web infrastructure. Here's a recent article about the Perl community that illustrates most of the points that I would make: http://perlbuzz.com/2008/05/perl-decentralize-diversify-colonize.html One quote: "Decentralizing and diversifying do two things. First, it opens our minds to alternatives that we may not have considered. It makes us more likely to find solutions that are better than what we started with. Second, it helps with colonization, the ultimate goal." One way to keep our community vibrant, relevant and authentic is to encourage communities to host their own stuff, on their own domains. My view is that postgresql.org should simply be a directory of those offerings, not the storage mechanism for them. I realize I'm being inconsistent in offering pugs.postgresql.org - but in that case, we had a serious lack of user group traction in the US anywhere other than San Francisco and Portland. I'm also hosting the Moroccan group - Africa has very few user groups. It is possible to set up pugs.postgresql.org to properly display most languages. There haven't been requests for it yet. My ideal future is that individual user groups become much larger, spin off and want to host their own stuff and build their own tools. Then, pugs.postgresql.org will simply redirect to their sites. I realize that this is not efficient, or ideal from a management perspective. But developing and sustaining communities is largely about strong ties between people, rather than careful management of data. And ties between people are inherently messy. > Particularly, I'd be glad to put Russian translation of PostgreSQL > weekly news to this site. David Fetter, can you work with Nikolay to set this up? Or is this someone else's area? -selena -- Selena Deckelmann United States PostgreSQL Association - http://www.postgresql.us PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
Am Mittwoch, 7. Mai 2008 schrieb Selena Deckelmann: > One way to keep our community vibrant, relevant and authentic is to > encourage communities to host their own stuff, on their own domains. Then again, most communities are too small that they don't have the skills and resources to host their own stuff properly.
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 7. Mai 2008 schrieb Selena Deckelmann: >> One way to keep our community vibrant, relevant and authentic is to >> encourage communities to host their own stuff, on their own domains. > > Then again, most communities are too small that they don't have the skills and > resources to host their own stuff properly. I'm not saying we should get rid of the PUGS site -- it is a valuable resource. DNS-based redirection for language/regional-based sites would be very useful. Especially in Nikolay's case. Those that have the resources, should continue to run their own sites. Here's the list of organizations, communities and user groups hosting their own sites (that I know of): JPUG - a non-profit corporation, not just a user community PgEU - same PgUS - same ITPUG - has formal governance Pg.IT Pg.PE (Peru) Pg.Brasil China (forums) PostgreSQLFr (France) PGUG (Germany) Grupo de Usuarios PostgreSQL de Venezuela NZPGUG (New Zealand) Pg.Gr (Greek) PgUK And then we have the Czech, Polish, and Turkish sites - I'm not sure who maintains those. There's likely more! The .org role should be to provide an accurate directory that connects all the sites together. One of my goals for the PUG site is to encourage people to customize their portion of the site - so that they are less uniform, and more reflective of the personality of the groups. I haven't quite gotten there yet :) -selena -- Selena Deckelmann United States PostgreSQL Association - http://www.postgresql.us PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
On Wed, May 07, 2008 at 11:20:27AM +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote: > Am Mittwoch, 7. Mai 2008 schrieb Selena Deckelmann: > > One way to keep our community vibrant, relevant and authentic is to > > encourage communities to host their own stuff, on their own domains. > > Then again, most communities are too small that they don't have the skills and > resources to host their own stuff properly. It would seem that this is the advantage of Selena's "inconsistency": helping others get started when they don't have the resources or skills (or size of community, another possible shortcoming) is not the same thing as building a big centralized system. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@commandprompt.com +1 503 667 4564 x104 http://www.commandprompt.com/
Selena, All, I don't think a policy is a good idea. I think for those communities who want to operate their own sites (Fr, DE, Br, IT, etc) we should redirect to them.* For communities who don't want to operate their own sites (as, I guess, RU doesn't), we should host them on postgresql.org. Why push a policy that isn't in line with what people want/need? --Josh * also, how do we handle domains (IT particularly) which have more than one site?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Wednesday, May 07, 2008 08:05:43 -0700 Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > Selena, All, > > I don't think a policy is a good idea. > > I think for those communities who want to operate their own sites (Fr, DE, > Br, IT, etc) we should redirect to them.* For communities who don't want to > operate their own sites (as, I guess, RU doesn't), we should host them on > postgresql.org. Selena, we can easily setup a 'ru.postgresql.org' subdomain pointing to the pugs.postgresql.org VPS (ie. use it for both) ... no reason not to make the resource available to those that need it, without limiting those that don't ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.8 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkgiO6QACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvNpvgCghUDHt0STaUJckAK9Jzi1PmS1 foEAmwUS0TNIXboNZkGymL0He917erFm =hCps -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > - --On Wednesday, May 07, 2008 08:05:43 -0700 Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> > wrote: > >> Selena, All, >> >> I don't think a policy is a good idea. >> >> I think for those communities who want to operate their own sites (Fr, DE, >> Br, IT, etc) we should redirect to them.* For communities who don't want to >> operate their own sites (as, I guess, RU doesn't), we should host them on >> postgresql.org. > > Selena, we can easily setup a 'ru.postgresql.org' subdomain pointing to the > pugs.postgresql.org VPS (ie. use it for both) ... no reason not to make the > resource available to those that need it, without limiting those that don't ... Totally agree! However, I think that Nikolay would prefer that ru.postgresql.org pointed to a specific instance that had Russian content, rather than to the English-language pugs site. Can we configure a VirtualHost on pugs.postgresql.org that has a different DocumentRoot and responds to ru.postgresql.org? And give Nikolay access to it? -selena -- Selena Deckelmann United States PostgreSQL Association - http://www.postgresql.us PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Wednesday, May 07, 2008 16:36:04 -0700 Selena Deckelmann <selenamarie@gmail.com> wrote: > On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 4:30 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > >> - --On Wednesday, May 07, 2008 08:05:43 -0700 Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Selena, All, >>> >>> I don't think a policy is a good idea. >>> >>> I think for those communities who want to operate their own sites (Fr, DE, >>> Br, IT, etc) we should redirect to them.* For communities who don't want to >>> operate their own sites (as, I guess, RU doesn't), we should host them on >>> postgresql.org. >> >> Selena, we can easily setup a 'ru.postgresql.org' subdomain pointing to the >> pugs.postgresql.org VPS (ie. use it for both) ... no reason not to make the >> resource available to those that need it, without limiting those that don't >> ... > > Totally agree! However, I think that Nikolay would prefer that > ru.postgresql.org pointed to a specific instance that had Russian > content, rather than to the English-language pugs site. > > Can we configure a VirtualHost on pugs.postgresql.org that has a > different DocumentRoot and responds to ru.postgresql.org? And give > Nikolay access to it? Yes, that was what I was suggesting :) - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.8 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkgiROoACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvMGogCfcE2u/LdW2XW74+VKBPRW0mgR lvYAmwctR/HkhoRXUvuPT03TyHeLI7K2 =h2tK -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > > I think for those communities who want to operate their own sites (Fr, DE, > > Br, IT, etc) we should redirect to them.* For communities who don't want to > > operate their own sites (as, I guess, RU doesn't), we should host them on > > postgresql.org. > > Selena, we can easily setup a 'ru.postgresql.org' subdomain pointing to the > pugs.postgresql.org VPS (ie. use it for both) ... no reason not to make the > resource available to those that need it, without limiting those that don't ... Not without playing favourites in areas where there may be more than one group - eg. Italy. Besides, we agreed long ago that <country code>.postgresql.org hostnames were strictly reserved for mirror use. -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
Marc G. Fournier wrote: > - --On Wednesday, May 07, 2008 08:05:43 -0700 Josh Berkus > <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > > > Selena, All, > > > > I don't think a policy is a good idea. > > > > I think for those communities who want to operate their own sites > > (Fr, DE, Br, IT, etc) we should redirect to them.* For communities > > who don't want to operate their own sites (as, I guess, RU > > doesn't), we should host them on postgresql.org. > > Selena, we can easily setup a 'ru.postgresql.org' subdomain pointing > to the pugs.postgresql.org VPS (ie. use it for both) ... no reason > not to make the resource available to those that need it, without > limiting those that don't ... If you end up doing that, take care not to break our ftp mirroring system which uses "ru.postgresql.org" as a subzone, and not a host... //Magnus
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, May 08, 2008 09:07:18 +0100 Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 12:30 AM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > >> > I think for those communities who want to operate their own sites (Fr, DE, >> > Br, IT, etc) we should redirect to them.* For communities who don't want >> > to operate their own sites (as, I guess, RU doesn't), we should host them >> > on postgresql.org. >> >> Selena, we can easily setup a 'ru.postgresql.org' subdomain pointing to the >> pugs.postgresql.org VPS (ie. use it for both) ... no reason not to make the >> resource available to those that need it, without limiting those that don't >> ... > > Not without playing favourites in areas where there may be more than > one group - eg. Italy. > > Besides, we agreed long ago that <country code>.postgresql.org > hostnames were strictly reserved for mirror use. Good point ... so we'll need to come up with a similar naming convention to the pugs themselves ... But, to your point about 'more then one group', I though we were talking about national communities (ie. umbrellas), not individual user groups? For instance, with Italy, there would obviously be a link to the seperate user groups expected off of the site ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.8 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkgi7GsACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvMqFACfe+abRd9L3a9YbCqbVrJDfwJs HcYAoOiGBGsbD+abW2ZWDxVs1IHHrO0C =nzpk -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > But, to your point about 'more then one group', I though we were talking about > national communities (ie. umbrellas), not individual user groups? > > For instance, with Italy, there would obviously be a link to the seperate user > groups expected off of the site ... So how do you decide who gets to run the PUG site? -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Thursday, May 08, 2008 13:07:42 +0100 Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 1:04 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > >> But, to your point about 'more then one group', I though we were talking >> about national communities (ie. umbrellas), not individual user groups? >> >> For instance, with Italy, there would obviously be a link to the seperate >> user groups expected off of the site ... > > So how do you decide who gets to run the PUG site? We aren't talking about PUGs here, or at least that wasn't my impression ... we were talking about community sites, under which several pugs could exist ... - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.8 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkgjE5MACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvO8OwCdEkeKIKaEXH+msi4/bXSoWTMz yqUAnArNW40JRMEuthWuSpyZnqGcRhxy =VA6j -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 3:52 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > > So how do you decide who gets to run the PUG site? > > We aren't talking about PUGs here, or at least that wasn't my impression ... we > were talking about community sites, under which several pugs could exist ... There is a very blurred line between PUG and community 'group' in my experience. Given there are two 'groups' in Italy, how would we decide which was in control of the it.postgresql.org community site? -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > Selena, All, > > I don't think a policy is a good idea. > > I think for those communities who want to operate their own sites (Fr, DE, > Br, IT, etc) we should redirect to them.* For communities who don't want to > operate their own sites (as, I guess, RU doesn't), we should host them on > postgresql.org. > :-) I can't say that we are not able or do not want to run our own stuff, what I was talking about is just that I suppose that people from different communities are making similar things and would consolidate their efforts to build smth better. -- Best regards, Nikolay
What about making a special handbook, like a "pre configured" drupal site (I guess most of us are using drupal with pg-theme installed), and a step by step manual of how to do the stuff or who to ask for halp/hosting/services W.E 2008/5/12 Nikolay Samokhvalov <samokhvalov@gmail.com>: > On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 7:05 PM, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote: > > Selena, All, > > > > I don't think a policy is a good idea. > > > > I think for those communities who want to operate their own sites (Fr, DE, > > Br, IT, etc) we should redirect to them.* For communities who don't want to > > operate their own sites (as, I guess, RU doesn't), we should host them on > > postgresql.org. > > > > :-) I can't say that we are not able or do not want to run our own > stuff, what I was talking about is just that I suppose that people > from different communities are making similar things and would > consolidate their efforts to build smth better. > > -- > Best regards, > Nikolay > > > > -- > Sent via pgsql-advocacy mailing list (pgsql-advocacy@postgresql.org) > To make changes to your subscription: > http://www.postgresql.org/mailpref/pgsql-advocacy >
On Thu, May 8, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > - --On Thursday, May 08, 2008 09:07:18 +0100 Dave Page <dpage@pgadmin.org> wrote: > > Besides, we agreed long ago that <country code>.postgresql.org > > hostnames were strictly reserved for mirror use. > > Good point ... so we'll need to come up with a similar naming convention to the > pugs themselves ... > > But, to your point about 'more then one group', I though we were talking about > national communities (ie. umbrellas), not individual user groups? > > For instance, with Italy, there would obviously be a link to the seperate user > groups expected off of the site ... In our -- Russian -- case we are talking about national community that are being set up currently involving [supposedly] all Russian PostgreSQL experts, including Oleg and Teodor and others. So, it's really about community. So, is it possible to handle the-most-straightforward name ru.postgresql.org for HTTP requests separately from FTP ones? Since there is a consistent objection to the idea of uniform infrastructure, I think we'll better continue with our own stuff :-) Most probably It will be at http://pgsql.ru soon. BTW, I suspect that uniform infrastructure for national communities will help spread idea of weekly news translation (now it's not only decentralized but also is somewhat obscure -- it's not clear how to quickly find, say, German translation, and moreover Russian one). -- Best regards, Nikolay
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - --On Sunday, May 11, 2008 20:48:28 +0400 Nikolay Samokhvalov <samokhvalov@gmail.com> wrote: > BTW, I suspect that uniform infrastructure for national communities > will help spread idea of weekly news translation (now it's not only > decentralized but also is somewhat obscure -- it's not clear how to > quickly find, say, German translation, and moreover Russian one). We could setup a pwn.postgresql.org domain, managed by David (if he's up for it) where all of them are archived, in the various translations? The main page would show the most recent ... ? - -- Marc G. Fournier Hub.Org Hosting Solutions S.A. (http://www.hub.org) Email . scrappy@hub.org MSN . scrappy@hub.org Yahoo . yscrappy Skype: hub.org ICQ . 7615664 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.8 (FreeBSD) iEYEARECAAYFAkgnNacACgkQ4QvfyHIvDvM2FACfakcxSOJ++6VkYiwJiivHjQvg y3EAn3DJDNX/8qIiQEBtVj8V2Wji1syK =kUbb -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > - --On Sunday, May 11, 2008 20:48:28 +0400 Nikolay Samokhvalov > <samokhvalov@gmail.com> wrote: > > >> BTW, I suspect that uniform infrastructure for national communities >> will help spread idea of weekly news translation (now it's not only >> decentralized but also is somewhat obscure -- it's not clear how to >> quickly find, say, German translation, and moreover Russian one). > > We could setup a pwn.postgresql.org domain, managed by David (if he's up for > it) where all of them are archived, in the various translations? The main page > would show the most recent ... ? Oh $DEITY no. We've worked hard to get rid of many of the subsites we used to have. Let's not start adding them again (especially when we have other means to handle the translation of PWN (planetpostgresql, main website translation framework etc). -- Dave Page EnterpriseDB UK: http://www.enterprisedb.com
Dave Page a écrit : > On Sun, May 11, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Marc G. Fournier <scrappy@hub.org> wrote: >> - --On Sunday, May 11, 2008 20:48:28 +0400 Nikolay Samokhvalov >> <samokhvalov@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> BTW, I suspect that uniform infrastructure for national communities >>> will help spread idea of weekly news translation (now it's not only >>> decentralized but also is somewhat obscure -- it's not clear how to >>> quickly find, say, German translation, and moreover Russian one). >> We could setup a pwn.postgresql.org domain, managed by David (if he's up for >> it) where all of them are archived, in the various translations? The main page >> would show the most recent ... ? > > Oh $DEITY no. We've worked hard to get rid of many of the subsites we > used to have. Let's not start adding them again (especially when we > have other means to handle the translation of PWN (planetpostgresql, > main website translation framework etc). > +1 :) -- Guillaume. http://www.postgresqlfr.org http://dalibo.com
Guillaume Lelarge wrote: >> Oh $DEITY no. We've worked hard to get rid of many of the subsites we >> used to have. Let's not start adding them again (especially when we >> have other means to handle the translation of PWN (planetpostgresql, >> main website translation framework etc). >> I think that for the most part we need to work on having .postgresql.org services serviced under www as much as possible. Even pugs, if we could figure out a way to do it within the existing framework (drupal) I would prefer to be http://www.postgresql.org/community/pugs Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake P.S. Dave that is $diety
On Mon, May 12, 2008 at 07:31:07PM -0700, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > P.S. Dave that is $diety I know that losing weight has become a sort of religion in North America, but in my opinion you're taking it a little far. A -- Andrew Sullivan ajs@commandprompt.com +1 503 667 4564 x104 http://www.commandprompt.com/
On May 12, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > I think that for the most part we need to work on > having .postgresql.org services serviced under www as much as > possible. Even pugs, if we could figure out a way to do it within > the existing framework (drupal) I would prefer to be http:// > www.postgresql.org/community/pugs What's the aversion to subdomains? It's damn easy to tell people to go to http://pugs.postgresql.org and look for Austin... there's no way I can tell them to go to that URL you posted above. -- Decibel!, aka Jim C. Nasby, Database Architect decibel@decibel.org Give your computer some brain candy! www.distributed.net Team #1828
On Tue, 13 May 2008 19:26:38 -0500 Decibel! <decibel@decibel.org> wrote: > On May 12, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: > > I think that for the most part we need to work on > > having .postgresql.org services serviced under www as much as > > possible. Even pugs, if we could figure out a way to do it within > > the existing framework (drupal) I would prefer to be http:// > > www.postgresql.org/community/pugs > > > What's the aversion to subdomains? It's damn easy to tell people to > go to http://pugs.postgresql.org and look for Austin... there's no > way I can tell them to go to that URL you posted above. I am not against sub domains but I like the single point of entry concept. I would actually expect that we would keep pugs.postgresql.org as a rewrite to the above url exactly to address the issue you bring up. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 5:26 PM, Decibel! <decibel@decibel.org> wrote: > On May 12, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> >> I think that for the most part we need to work on having .postgresql.org >> services serviced under www as much as possible. Even pugs, if we could >> figure out a way to do it within the existing framework (drupal) I would >> prefer to be http://www.postgresql.org/community/pugs > > > What's the aversion to subdomains? It's damn easy to tell people to go to > http://pugs.postgresql.org and look for Austin... there's no way I can tell > them to go to that URL you posted above. Agreed. Please leave PUGS as a subdomain. It has the advantage of being convenient *and* cute. :) -selena -- Selena Deckelmann United States PostgreSQL Association - http://www.postgresql.us PDXPUG - http://pugs.postgresql.org/pdx Me - http://www.chesnok.com/daily
Decibel! escribió: > On May 12, 2008, at 9:31 PM, Joshua D. Drake wrote: >> I think that for the most part we need to work on having >> .postgresql.org services serviced under www as much as possible. Even >> pugs, if we could figure out a way to do it within the existing >> framework (drupal) I would prefer to be http:// >> www.postgresql.org/community/pugs > > What's the aversion to subdomains? It's damn easy to tell people to go to > http://pugs.postgresql.org and look for Austin... there's no way I can > tell them to go to that URL you posted above. Agreed -- I've wished a couple of times for a slightly shorter URL to docs too: http://docs.postgresql.org/8.3/static/sql-shorturl.html -- Alvaro Herrera http://www.CommandPrompt.com/ PostgreSQL Replication, Consulting, Custom Development, 24x7 support
On Tue, 13 May 2008 20:45:24 -0400 Alvaro Herrera <alvherre@commandprompt.com> wrote: > > What's the aversion to subdomains? It's damn easy to tell people to > > go to http://pugs.postgresql.org and look for Austin... there's no > > way I can tell them to go to that URL you posted above. > > Agreed -- I've wished a couple of times for a slightly shorter URL to > docs too: > > http://docs.postgresql.org/8.3/static/sql-shorturl.html You are only really shaving the /docs/ there. If we were going to have that kind of rewrite why not: http://docs.postgresql.org/ -> points to /current/static/index.html I can see the benefit to strategic use of mod_rewrite that enables us to do funky stuff... maybe even some cool stuf like: www.postgresql.org/show/changelog Which would dynamically pull the changelog for the last day as an RSS or even: www.postgresql.org/search/pitr Which would pull out the first three links for pitr from search.postgresql.org. Sincerely, Joshua D. Drake -- The PostgreSQL Company since 1997: http://www.commandprompt.com/ PostgreSQL Community Conference: http://www.postgresqlconference.org/ United States PostgreSQL Association: http://www.postgresql.us/ Donate to the PostgreSQL Project: http://www.postgresql.org/about/donate
Selena Deckelmann schrieb: > On Wed, May 7, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Peter Eisentraut <peter_e@gmx.net> wrote: > >> Am Mittwoch, 7. Mai 2008 schrieb Selena Deckelmann: >> >>> One way to keep our community vibrant, relevant and authentic is to >>> encourage communities to host their own stuff, on their own domains. >>> >> Then again, most communities are too small that they don't have the skills and >> resources to host their own stuff properly. >> > > I'm not saying we should get rid of the PUGS site -- it is a valuable > resource. DNS-based redirection for language/regional-based sites > would be very useful. Especially in Nikolay's case. > > Those that have the resources, should continue to run their own sites. > > Here's the list of organizations, communities and user groups hosting > their own sites (that I know of): > > JPUG - a non-profit corporation, not just a user community > PgEU - same > PgUS - same > ITPUG - has formal governance > Pg.IT > Pg.PE (Peru) > Pg.Brasil > China (forums) > PostgreSQLFr (France) > PGUG (Germany) > Selena, please don't put countries to these PGUGs. For German and French I can say, they are language based and not country based. Looking into the German speaking group then you will find as much Austrians then Germans also you will find Belgians at the French speaking group. > Grupo de Usuarios PostgreSQL de Venezuela > NZPGUG (New Zealand) > Pg.Gr (Greek) > PgUK > > And then we have the Czech, Polish, and Turkish sites - I'm not sure > who maintains those. There's likely more! > > The .org role should be to provide an accurate directory that connects > all the sites together. > > One of my goals for the PUG site is to encourage people to customize > their portion of the site - so that they are less uniform, and more > reflective of the personality of the groups. I haven't quite gotten > there yet :) > > -selena > > > > -- Susanne Ebrecht 52066 Aachen, Germany Email: miracee@miracee.de