Thread: More benchmarking of wal_buffers
Hi Everyone, I've just spent the last day and a half trying to benchmark our new database installation to find a good value for wal_buffers. The quick answer - there isn't, just leave it on the default of 8. The numbers just swing up and down so much it's impossible to say that one setting is better than another. I've attached an openoffice doc with my old shared_buffers tests plus the wal_buffers tests. The wal results are a bit deceptive as the results I've included are really what I consider the 'average' results. Just occasionally, I'd get a spike that I could never repeat... Even if you look at the attached charts and you think that 128 buffers are better than 8, think again - there's nothing in it. Next time I run that benchmark it could be the same, lower or higher. And the difference between the worst and best results is less than 3 TPS - ie. nothing. One proof that has come out of this is that wal_buffers does not affect SELECT only performance in any way. So, for websites where the select/update ratio is very high, wal_buffers is almost an irrelevant optimisation. Even massively heavy sites where you are getting write transactions continuously by 64 simultaneous people, I was unable to prove that any setting other than the default helped. In this situation, probably the commit_delay and commit_siblings variables will give you the best gains. I'm not sure what I could test next. Does FreeBSD support anything other than fsync? eg. fdatasync, etc. I can't see it in the man pages... Chris ps. I don't think the attachments are too large, but if they annoy anyone, tell me. Also, I've cross posted to make sure people who read my previous benchmark, see this one also.
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Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > I'm not sure what I could test next. Does FreeBSD support anything other > than fsync? eg. fdatasync, etc. I can't see it in the man pages... You are already getting the best default for your OS. It say 'fsync' for default, but the comment says the default is OS-specific. The only thing you can compare there is open_fdatasync vs fdatasync. -- Bruce Momjian | http://candle.pha.pa.us pgman@candle.pha.pa.us | (610) 359-1001 + If your life is a hard drive, | 13 Roberts Road + Christ can be your backup. | Newtown Square, Pennsylvania 19073
On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 00:16, Christopher Kings-Lynne wrote: > Even if you look at the attached charts and you think that 128 buffers are > better than 8, think again - there's nothing in it. Next time I run that > benchmark it could be the same, lower or higher. And the difference between > the worst and best results is less than 3 TPS - ie. nothing. One could conclude that this a result of the irrelevancy of wal_buffers; another possible conclusion is that the testing tool (pgbench) is not a particularly good database benchmark, as it tends to be very difficult to use it to reproduceable results. Alternatively, it's possible that the limited set of test-cases you've used doesn't happen to include any circumstances in which wal_buffers is useful. We definitely need some better benchmarking tools for PostgreSQL (and no, OSDB does not cut it, IMHO). I've been thinking of taking a look at improving this, but I can't promise I'll get the time or inclination to actually do anything about it :-) Cheers, Neil -- Neil Conway <neilc@samurai.com> || PGP Key ID: DB3C29FC
"Christopher Kings-Lynne" <chriskl@familyhealth.com.au> writes:
> I've just spent the last day and a half trying to benchmark our new database
> installation to find a good value for wal_buffers. The quick answer - there
> isn't, just leave it on the default of 8.
I don't think this is based on a useful test for wal_buffers. The
wal_buffers setting only has to be large enough for the maximum amount
of WAL log data that your system emits between commits, because a commit
(from anyone) is going to flush the WAL data to disk (for everyone).
So a benchmark based on short transactions is just not going to show
any benefit to increasing the setting.
Benchmarking, say, the speed of massive COPY IN operations might show
some advantage to larger wal_buffers. Although I'm not real sure that
it'll make any difference for any single-backend test. It's really just
the case where you have concurrent transactions that all make lots of
updates before committing that's likely to show a win.
> One proof that has come out of this is that wal_buffers does not affect
> SELECT only performance in any way.
Coulda told you that without testing ;-). Read-only transactions emit
no WAL entries.
regards, tom lane
> I don't think this is based on a useful test for wal_buffers. The > wal_buffers setting only has to be large enough for the maximum amount > of WAL log data that your system emits between commits, because a commit > (from anyone) is going to flush the WAL data to disk (for everyone). > So a benchmark based on short transactions is just not going to show > any benefit to increasing the setting. Yes, I guess the TPC-B test does many, very short transactions. Each transaction bascially comprises a single update, so I guess it wouldn't really test it. > > One proof that has come out of this is that wal_buffers does not affect > > SELECT only performance in any way. > > Coulda told you that without testing ;-). Read-only transactions emit > no WAL entries. I knew that as well, that's why I said "proof" ;) Chris
Tom Lane wrote: > "Christopher Kings-Lynne" <chriskl@familyhealth.com.au> writes: > > I've just spent the last day and a half trying to benchmark our new database > > installation to find a good value for wal_buffers. The quick answer - there > > isn't, just leave it on the default of 8. > > I don't think this is based on a useful test for wal_buffers. The > wal_buffers setting only has to be large enough for the maximum amount > of WAL log data that your system emits between commits, because a commit > (from anyone) is going to flush the WAL data to disk (for everyone). What happens when the only transaction running emits more WAL log data than wal_buffers can handle? A flush happens when the WAL buffers fill up (that's what I'd expect)? Didn't find much in the documentation about it... -- Kevin Brown kevin@sysexperts.com
Kevin Brown <kevin@sysexperts.com> writes:
> What happens when the only transaction running emits more WAL log data
> than wal_buffers can handle? A flush happens when the WAL buffers
> fill up (that's what I'd expect)? Didn't find much in the
> documentation about it...
A write, not a flush (ie, we don't force an fsync). Also, I think it
writes only a few blocks, not all the available data. Don't recall the
details on that.
regards, tom lane