Re: 2D partitioning of VLDB - sane or not? - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Jason Nerothin
Subject Re: 2D partitioning of VLDB - sane or not?
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Msg-id f42b58b90708131049y7465e4fdi173df393ff04648b@mail.gmail.com
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In response to Re: 2D partitioning of VLDB - sane or not?  (Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>)
Responses Re: 2D partitioning of VLDB - sane or not?  (Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com>)
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Josh,

I think what you are suggesting is something like this:

-- begin SQL --
core=# CREATE TABLE temp_x( x_id BIGINT PRIMARY KEY, x_info VARCHAR(16) NOT NULL DEFAULT 'x_info');
NOTICE:  CREATE TABLE / PRIMARY KEY will create implicit index "temp_x_pkey" for table "temp_x"
CREATE TABLE
core=# CREATE TABLE temp_y( y_id BIGINT PRIMARY KEY, y_info VARCHAR(16) NOT NULL DEFAULT 'y_info');
NOTICE:  CREATE TABLE / PRIMARY KEY will create implicit index "temp_y_pkey" for table "temp_y"
CREATE TABLE
core=# CREATE TABLE temp_xy() INHERITS (temp_x, temp_y);
CREATE TABLE
core=# \d temp_xy
                             Table "core.temp_xy"
 Column |         Type          |                  Modifiers
--------+-----------------------+----------------------------------------------
 x_id   | bigint                | not null
 x_info | character varying(16) | not null default 'x_info'::character varying
 y_id   | bigint                | not null
 y_info | character varying(16) | not null default 'y_info'::character varying
Inherits: temp_x,
          temp_y

-- end code --

The problem with this is what I really want to do is something like this:

-- begin code --
core=# CREATE TABLE temp_xx() INHERITS (temp_x, temp_x);
ERROR:  inherited relation "temp_x" duplicated
-- end code --

The issue is that the relations are in fact reflexive and, due to the sheer size fo the data I'm trying to warehouse, I'd like not to keep them around more than once.

I'm sort of thinking aloud here, but based on what you've told me, I guess I'm left having to choose which direction I want to search in since the domains and ranges are theoretically the same. On the other hand, perhaps I could take the overhead impact and just keep two copies of the parent tables around. The relation table is on the order of about 300-500x as large as the parent tables and that multiplier is expected to stay relatively constant over time...?

Which brings us back to the original issue. If I decide to stick with the current implementation and not "improve our existing partitioning
mechanisms to scale to 100,000 partitions", I could do something like:

Maintain 2 copies of the parent table (partitioned by 256).
Inherit from both to a relation table.

Does this get me out of the woods with the query analyzer? Doesn't seem like it would, necessarily, at least.

On 8/11/07, Josh Berkus <josh@agliodbs.com> wrote:
Jason,

> Aside from running into a known bug with "too many triggers" when creating
> gratuitous indices on these tables, I feel as it may be possible to do what
> I want without breaking everything. But then again, am I taking too many
> liberties with technology that maybe didn't have use cases like this one in
> mind?

Well, you're pushing PostgreSQL partitioning further than it's currently able
to go.  Right now our range exclusion becomes too costly to be useful
somewhere around 300 to 1000 partitions (depending on CPU and other issues)
because the constraints are checked linearly.

To make your scheme work, you'd need to improve our existing partitioning
mechanisms to scale to 100,000 partitions.  It would also help you to
implement multiple inheritance so that you could have a partition which
belonged to two masters.  I'd be very interested in seeing you do so, of
course, but this may be more hacking than you had in mind.

--
Josh Berkus
PostgreSQL @ Sun
San Francisco



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