Re: ROLE INHERIT - Mailing list pgsql-general
| From | David Legault |
|---|---|
| Subject | Re: ROLE INHERIT |
| Date | |
| Msg-id | e0b20d410702152005m405ba8aatde7e2e7a478d562d@mail.gmail.com Whole thread Raw |
| In response to | Re: ROLE INHERIT (Kenneth Downs <ken@secdat.com>) |
| List | pgsql-general |
Well basically, I was planning on building my user accounts directly using the postgres user/group policy and get away from the model superuser always connects to the DB.
I kind of think it defeats the purpose of inheritance of attributes if you can't inherit from all attributes of a certain group.
basically, you have a web app with a guest account into a guests group for any anonymous user that comes in. Once they log in, they have access to their privileges. If an "administrator" group user logs in I want him to be able to add "sub-admin" people and administer the users/groups via an admin web interface. Since my application is built in modules, all web application privileges (usually page/action combo) are correlated with the group privileges (which determine which stored proc/functions) that person has access via his membership to the groups.
The way I see it , is just an extra loop for me. When I create a new user and assign him a group, I'll simply check if any of the group membership he has contains the CREATEROLE and just give it to him and vice-versa if he loses a group and doesn't have it anymore.
Could there be an option (off by default) that could tell Postgres to INHERIT those 4 conditions like the command:
Thanks
David
I kind of think it defeats the purpose of inheritance of attributes if you can't inherit from all attributes of a certain group.
basically, you have a web app with a guest account into a guests group for any anonymous user that comes in. Once they log in, they have access to their privileges. If an "administrator" group user logs in I want him to be able to add "sub-admin" people and administer the users/groups via an admin web interface. Since my application is built in modules, all web application privileges (usually page/action combo) are correlated with the group privileges (which determine which stored proc/functions) that person has access via his membership to the groups.
The way I see it , is just an extra loop for me. When I create a new user and assign him a group, I'll simply check if any of the group membership he has contains the CREATEROLE and just give it to him and vice-versa if he loses a group and doesn't have it anymore.
Could there be an option (off by default) that could tell Postgres to INHERIT those 4 conditions like the command:
GRANT role [, ...] TO username [, ...] [ WITH [ADMIN OPTION] [FULL INHERIT] ]Or something similar.
Thanks
David
On 2/15/07, Kenneth Downs <ken@secdat.com> wrote:
Tom Lane wrote:"David Legault" <legault.david@gmail.com> writes:
I thought it would transfer that CREATEROLE privilege too.
I've been dying to get 2 cents in on this. Tell me if this suggestion makes any sense.
We use real database users in our systems, we don't connect in with an over-endowed user and then arbitrate security in client code. Therefore, we depend entirely upon the server's ability to enforce security.
The practical advantage of this, which is huge, is that nowhere in my Postgres settings do I have to make allowance for the web user (apache) to "go root" with respect to Postgres. As a general rule we consider this good of course, because a remote exploit on the web server could not do anything the user could not do anyway.
Except for the hole. On a public site that lets users register, we have to have way to let the web server assume the role of somebody who has createuser privelege, and that's pretty much the end of the no-root policy. If an exploit could be placed, it could simply go into that mode and create a superuser.
What would be really nice is if you could limit the ability of CREATEUSER to grant roles. A nice general solution would be to allow a user with CREATEUSER privelege to only put other users into the same groups that person is in, or perhaps into a list specified by a higher-privelege user.
What's chances of anything like that showing up?
And, dumb question, am I mistaking the purpose of INHERIT and it already does what I'm saying? I don't think so because INHERIT does not let somebody create users out of the void.This is documented someplace ... ah, under CREATE ROLE:
: The INHERIT attribute governs inheritance of grantable privileges (that
: is, access privileges for database objects and role memberships). It
: does not apply to the special role attributes set by CREATE ROLE and
: ALTER ROLE. For example, being a member of a role with CREATEDB
: privilege does not immediately grant the ability to create databases,
: even if INHERIT is set; it would be necessary to become that role via
: SET ROLE before creating a database.
The main reason we did that is that SUPERUSER seemed a bit too dangerous
to be an inheritable privilege. You could argue the other role
attribute bits either way, but for simplicity they all act the same.
regards, tom lane
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