Re: Packages, inner subprograms, and parameterizable anonymous blocks for PL/pgSQL - Mailing list pgsql-general

From Mladen Gogala
Subject Re: Packages, inner subprograms, and parameterizable anonymous blocks for PL/pgSQL
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In response to Re: Packages, inner subprograms, and parameterizable anonymous blocks for PL/pgSQL  (Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com>)
Responses Re: Packages, inner subprograms, and parameterizable anonymous blocks for PL/pgSQL  (Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie>)
Re: Packages, inner subprograms, and parameterizable anonymous blocks for PL/pgSQL  (Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com>)
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On 12/16/21 16:48, Pavel Stehule wrote:
> I don't think Postgres needs packages - this is a redundant concept in 
> Postgres, when Postgres has schemas (different from Oracle's schemas) 
> and extensions.
>
Yes, ORAFCE uses schemas as the package names. However, one very 
practical thing is missing: session variables. Yes, you can emulate 
those with ON COMMIT PRESERVE ROWS temporary tables, but that's a rather 
ugly hack.

On the other hand, packages can easily be emulated by using Python. 
Having packages would make PLPg/SQL programming much prettier. It would 
be much prettier to group related routines into a package than to have 
them laying around without anything indicating that the routines are 
related. On the plus side, packages would make it much easier to migrate 
from Oracle to Postgres. And you do want that, don't you?

I am very well aware of the animosity toward the Oracle community and 
the reasons for that animosity. Oracle wiped the floor with the 
predecessor of Postgres, the database called "Ingres". Sandra Kurtzig, 
the Ingres CEO at the the time, and Michael Stonebraker were both 
involved in very public spat with Larry Ellison. Stonebraker is still 
very much a factor in Postgres community and I doubt that his feelings 
toward the Larry and his company have got any warmer with years. 
Postgres was created with the idea of fighting the Dark Lord in the land 
of Belmont, CA. However, if it is the goal of the community to have 
users convert from Oracle to Postgres, than making that conversion easy 
would be conducive to that goal.  A long time ago a former pastry baker 
wrote the following article:

https://www.toolbox.com/tech/data-management/blogs/why-postgresql-doesnt-have-query-hints-020411/

Disclosure: I am the Oracle DBA that Josh Berkus is talking about in 
that article. Recent events with "advice" to a very well known Oracle 
personality testify to the fact that the emotions haven't changed much 
since that article was written. Of course, Oracle is still the most 
popular database in the world.


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Mladen Gogala
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