Re: PL/java? - Mailing list pgsql-general

have you ever seen/benchmarked the orion application
server? it's a java web and appserver and their
benchmarks have it outperforming ASP code which runs
natively inside of win2k.

also take a look at jetty which is a beautiful and
tiny web server designed for embedding in java apps
that also runs servlets and jsps.

both are 100% pure java.

just because tomcat doesn't cut the mustard doesn't
mean that _nothing_ else does.

rjsjr

> -----Original Message-----
> From: pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org
> [mailto:pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org]On Behalf Of Shaun Thomas
> Sent: Friday, August 31, 2001 11:28 AM
> To: Alex Knight
> Cc: Gowey, Geoffrey; 'Dr. Evil'; pgsql-general@postgresql.org
> Subject: Re: [GENERAL] PL/java?
>
>
> On Sun, 26 Aug 2001, Alex Knight wrote:
>
> > I keep hearing all this talk about Java being slow, and
> how compiled Java is
> > nearly as slow as interpreted languages... If Java was
> _that_ slow, do you
> > think it would be powering a majority of the Enterprise
> level sites out there?
>
> Have you ever actually used Java on an enterprise-level
> application?  Ever
> see the Tomcat webserver?  It uses 100MB of memory, drives
> the load on our
> server up to 8, and doesn't serve nearly as fast apache.
> Do you really
> want that in your database?
>
> It isn't slow just because of the interpretation, or the
> byte-code, or the
> structure, or even the overhead.  It's slow because every
> application must
> have a hulking JVM sitting in memory, bringing even fast
> machines to their
> knees in short order.  Not even perl, with everything it
> does, is that
> big, nor does it affect a machine so adversely.  Ever
> wonder why most
> JVM's stay in memory after they start?
>
> Compare the speed of Oracle 8 with 8i if you don't believe me.  The
> stability is also much worse.  Ever see a JVM on any
> platform that didn't
> crash if you looked at it cockeyed?  Ever really trust the garbage
> collection?  I don't.  I've found a memory leak in IBM
> developed java
> libraries.  Gotta restart that app every once in a while to reclaim
> system resources it gobbled up and never gave back.
>
> Merits of the language notwithstanding, I'd rather not have
> a buggy, still
> under development (depreciating everything under the sun
> with every new
> iteration) JVM parasite in my DB.
>
> So... you want a larger, slower, memory leaking, more
> crash-prone DB just
> to have java support?
>
> Personally, I hope the Postgres developers don't make the
> same mistake as
> the Oracle developers.  Yuck.
>
> --
> +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> =-=-=-=-=-+
> | Shaun M. Thomas                INN Database Programmer
>           |
> | Phone: (309) 743-0812          Fax  : (309) 743-0830
>           |
> | Email: sthomas@townnews.com    AIM  : trifthen
>           |
> | Web  : hamster.lee.net
>           |
> |
>           |
> |     "Most of our lives are about proving something,
> either to       |
> |      ourselves or to someone else."
>           |
> |                                           -- Anonymous
>           |
> +-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> =-=-=-=-=-+
>
>
>
> ---------------------------(end of
> broadcast)---------------------------
> TIP 1: subscribe and unsubscribe commands go to
> majordomo@postgresql.org
>