Re: Planner cost adjustments - Mailing list pgsql-general

Thank Bill,

About disks performance, all drives are identical and connected using USB3
connections and yes, I can tweak values and restart Postgres without any
hardship!-)
About seq_page_cost and random_page_cost, I am about to test different lower
values as you and Thomas propose.
Raising the statistics target is a good idea. Since most of the data have a
power law distribution it might affect the statistics.

I will do as suggested and get back to the community for further comments. I
wished to follow the procedure proposed by PT, just in case I eventually had
to on step 4 (contact PostgreSQL developers so they can improve the
planner).

And I am still open to other proposal
Daniel

-----Original Message-----
From: pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org
[mailto:pgsql-general-owner@postgresql.org] On Behalf Of Bill Moran
Sent: June-02-15 23:31
To: Daniel Begin
Cc: pgsql-general@postgresql.org; 'Tomas Vondra'; 'Melvin Davidson'
Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Planner cost adjustments

On Tue, 2 Jun 2015 14:01:35 -0400
Daniel Begin <jfd553@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Here is a follow-up on the step-by-step procedure proposed by PT
>
> #1 - setup postgresql planner's cost estimate settings for my hardware.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> ----------
> Current parameters values described in section 18.7.2 haven't been
> changed except for the effective_cache_size seq_page_cost = 1
> random_page_cost = 4 cpu_tuple_cost = 0.01 cpu_index_tuple_cost =
> 0.005 cpu_operator_cost = 0.0025 effective_cache_size = 10GB
>
> I did a bunch of tests on frequently used queries to see how well they
> perform - using SET enable_seqscan = ON/OFF.
> As described earlier in this tread, the planner use Seq Scan on tables
> even if using an Index Scan is in this case 5 times faster!
> Here are the logs of EXPLAIN ANALYSE on a query...

In an earlier message you mention that the drives are external to the
computer. I don't remember details, but external drives can be quite dicey
as far as performance goes, depending on the specific technlogy (USB vs.
external SATA vs. NAS, for example) as well as some pretty wild variances
between different brands of the same technology.
See:
http://www.databasesoup.com/2012/05/random-page-cost-revisited.html

As a result, I'm suspicious that the default values you're using for
random_page_cost and seq_page_cost are throwing things off becuase your
disks aren't performing like internally connected disks.

Correct me if I'm wrong on any of the assumptions I'm making here, but I got
the impression that you can tweak values and restart Postgres without any
hardship. If that's the case, I'm guessing that raising seq_page_cost
(possible to 2) will cause Postgres to make better decisions about what are
good plans. My suggestion is to try some different values for those two
settings, doing several tests after each change, and see if you can find a
set of values that starts getting you good plans. It appears that the
planner thinks that it can get better performance by reading from the disk
in sequence than by picking random pages, and that makes me think that the
difference between seq_page_cost and random_page_cost is bigger than the
actual behavior of the drives.

More comments below.

> osmdump=# SET enable_seqscan = ON;
> osmdump=# EXPLAIN ANALYSE SELECT user_id, id AS changeset_id,closed
> FROM changesets WHERE changesets.user_id IN(SELECT id FROM
> sample.users);
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> -----------------------------------------------------
>  Hash Semi Join  (cost=21.50..819505.27 rows=726722 width=24) (actual
> time=1574.914..7444.938 rows=338568 loops=1)
>    Hash Cond: (changesets.user_id = users.id)
>    ->  Seq Scan on changesets  (cost=0.00..745407.22 rows=25139722
> width=24) (actual time=0.002..4724.578 rows=25133929 loops=1)
>    ->  Hash  (cost=14.00..14.00 rows=600 width=8) (actual
> time=0.165..0.165
> rows=600 loops=1)
>          Buckets: 1024  Batches: 1  Memory Usage: 24kB
>          ->  Seq Scan on users  (cost=0.00..14.00 rows=600 width=8)
> (actual
> time=0.003..0.073 rows=600 loops=1)
>  Total runtime: 7658.715 ms
> (7 rows)
>
> osmdump=# SET enable_seqscan = OFF;
> osmdump=# EXPLAIN ANALYSE SELECT user_id, id AS changeset_id,closed
> FROM changesets WHERE changesets.user_id IN(SELECT id FROM
> sample.users);
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Nested Loop  (cost=10000000015.94..10001072613.45 rows=726722
> width=24) (actual time=0.268..1490.515 rows=338568 loops=1)
>    ->  HashAggregate  (cost=10000000015.50..10000000021.50 rows=600
> width=8) (actual time=0.207..0.531 rows=600 loops=1)
>          ->  Seq Scan on users  (cost=10000000000.00..10000000014.00
> rows=600 width=8) (actual time=0.003..0.037 rows=600 loops=1)
>    ->  Index Scan using changesets_useridndx on changesets
> (cost=0.44..1775.54 rows=1211 width=24) (actual time=0.038..2.357
> rows=564
> loops=600
>          Index Cond: (user_id = users.id)  Total runtime: 1715.517 ms
> (6 rows)
>
>
> #2 - Run ANALYZE DATABASE and look at performance/planning improvement.
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> ----------
> I ran ANALYZE DATABASE then rerun the query. It did not produce any
> significant improvement according to the EXPLAIN ANALYSE below...
>
> osmdump=# SET enable_seqscan = ON;
> osmdump=# EXPLAIN ANALYSE SELECT user_id, id AS changeset_id,closed
> FROM changesets WHERE changesets.user_id IN(SELECT id FROM
> sample.users);
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> -----------------------------------------------------
>  Hash Semi Join  (cost=21.50..819511.42 rows=729133 width=24) (actual
> time=1538.100..7307.743 rows=338568 loops=1)
>    Hash Cond: (changesets.user_id = users.id)
>    ->  Seq Scan on changesets  (cost=0.00..745390.84 rows=25138084
> width=24) (actual time=0.027..4620.691 rows=25133929 loops=1)
>    ->  Hash  (cost=14.00..14.00 rows=600 width=8) (actual
> time=0.300..0.300
> rows=600 loops=1)
>          Buckets: 1024  Batches: 1  Memory Usage: 24kB
>          ->  Seq Scan on users  (cost=0.00..14.00 rows=600 width=8)
> (actual
> time=0.022..0.187 rows=600 loops=1)
>  Total runtime: 7519.254 ms
> (7 rows)
>
> osmdump=# SET enable_seqscan = OFF;
> osmdump=# EXPLAIN ANALYSE SELECT user_id, id AS changeset_id,closed
> FROM changesets WHERE changesets.user_id IN(SELECT id FROM
> sample.users);
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>  Nested Loop  (cost=10000000015.94..10001090810.49 rows=729133
> width=24) (actual time=0.268..1466.248 rows=338568 loops=1)
>    ->  HashAggregate  (cost=10000000015.50..10000000021.50 rows=600
> width=8) (actual time=0.205..0.530 rows=600 loops=1)
>          ->  Seq Scan on users  (cost=10000000000.00..10000000014.00
> rows=600 width=8) (actual time=0.003..0.035 rows=600 loops=1)
>    ->  Index Scan using changesets_useridndx on changesets
> (cost=0.44..1805.83 rows=1215 width=24) (actual time=0.036..2.314
> rows=564
> loops=600)
>          Index Cond: (user_id = users.id)  Total runtime: 1677.447 ms
> (6 rows)
>
> #3 - Run EXPLAIN ANALYZE and look for discrepancies between the
> estimated and actual times
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------
> ----------
> Looking at above results, there are obvious discrepancies between
> expected/actual rows and time!
> I dug a bit by exploring/trying to understand the different concepts
> explained in...
>
> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.4/static/planner-stats.html
> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/8.1/static/planner-stats-details.html
> http://www.postgresql.org/docs/9.2/static/view-pg-stats.html
>
> Concerning discrepancies between the actual number of rows and
> predicted value, I looked at what pg_stats was saying about user_id in
> table changesets.
> Here are the values provided to the planner...
> Average_width=8
> histogram_bounds: the size of the bins varies between 50 and 150000,
> which make sense because if I had divided the column's values into
> groups of approximately equal population, I would have produced bins
> between 1 and
> 100000 (if sorted by frequency)
> n_distinct= 20686 (there is actually 464858 distinct values for
> user_id in the table)
> most_common_vals: values make sense (I checked the frequency count of
> a couple most common users_id)
> correlation=0.617782 (?)
> most_common_elems, most_common_elem_freqs and elem_count_histogram
> were empty
>
> At this point, I wonder if the assumptions behind the planner's
> statistics may produce such problems since the distribution of my data
> is not uniform but follows a power law (some user_id would return
> millions of records while others only one).
> This is the farthest I can go at this point. Maybe someone can provide
> me with more explanations regarding planner's behavior and ways to go
> further to make it work properly?

You may also benefit from increasing the statistics targets and running
ANALYZE again. It certainly looks like some of those stats are pretty far
off. Raising the statistics target will cause ANALYZE to investigate more
rows (which takes longer but might produce more accurate results)

I suggest experimenting with the cost settings first, though.

--
Bill Moran <wmoran@potentialtech.com>


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