Re: Autovacuum of independent tables - Mailing list pgsql-general

From Michael Holzman
Subject Re: Autovacuum of independent tables
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In response to Re: Autovacuum of independent tables  (Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>)
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On Tue, Sep 8, 2020 at 5:38 PM Tom Lane wrote:
Magnus Haganderwrites:
> Oh sure, but there is clearly *something* going on, so we should try to
> figure that out. Because a transaction running multiple independent selects
> with the defaults settings will not actually block autovacuum.

I don't think the OP is claiming that autovacuum is blocked, only that
it's failing to remove recently-dead rows that he thinks could be removed.
Yes, this is exactly what happens.

The reason that's not so is that whether or not transaction A *has*
touched table B is irrelevant.  It *could* read table B at any moment,
for all autovacuum knows.  Therefore we cannot remove rows that should
still be visible to A's snapshot.

There are some approximations involved in figuring out which rows are
potentially still visible to someone.  So perhaps this is a situation
where an approximation is being used and tighter analysis would have
shown that indeed a row could be removed.  But we haven't seen any
evidence of that so far.  The basic fact that A's snapshot is limiting
removal of rows from a table it has not touched is not a bug.
It's obviously not a bug. I was just surprised when I figured that out. It's also quite complex to explain to my colleagues. Actually, this is the main reason I started this thread: I tried to explain to someone and felt that I miss something.


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    Michael Holzman

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