Re: Proposal to Enable/Disable Index using ALTER INDEX - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Shayon Mukherjee
Subject Re: Proposal to Enable/Disable Index using ALTER INDEX
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Msg-id CANqtF-pyb_x_cazzAE0zFvoJoX-=Bgyc9nZ3muqLyJ10bwHVkQ@mail.gmail.com
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In response to Re: Proposal to Enable/Disable Index using ALTER INDEX  (David Rowley <dgrowleyml@gmail.com>)
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Hello,

Thank you for the detailed information and feedback David. Comments inline.

P.S Re-sending it to the mailing list, because I accidentally didn't select reply-all on the last reply. 

On Mon, Sep 9, 2024 at 6:16 PM David Rowley <dgrowleyml@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, 10 Sept 2024 at 09:39, Shayon Mukherjee <shayonj@gmail.com> wrote:
> Adding and removing indexes is a common operation in PostgreSQL. On larger databases, however, these operations can be resource-intensive. When evaluating the performance impact of one or more indexes, dropping them might not be ideal since as a user you may want a quicker way to test their effects without fully committing to removing & adding them back again. Which can be a time taking operation on larger tables.
>
> Proposal:
> I propose adding an ALTER INDEX command that allows for enabling or disabling an index globally. This could look something like:
>
> ALTER INDEX index_name ENABLE;
> ALTER INDEX index_name DISABLE;
>
> A disabled index would still receive updates and enforce constraints as usual but would not be used for queries. This allows users to assess whether an index impacts query performance before deciding to drop it entirely.

I personally think having some way to alter an index to stop it from
being used in query plans would be very useful for the reasons you
mentioned.  I don't have any arguments against the syntax you've
proposed.  We'd certainly have to clearly document that constraints
are still enforced. Perhaps there is some other syntax which would
self-document slightly better. I just can't think of it right now.
 
Thank you and likewise. I was thinking of piggy backing off of VALID / NOT VALID, but that might have similar issues (if not more confusion) to the current proposed syntax. Will be sure to update the documentation. 

 

> Implementation:
> To keep this simple, I suggest toggling the indisvalid flag in pg_index during the enable/disable operation.

That's not a good idea as it would allow ALTER INDEX ... ENABLE; to be
used to make valid a failed concurrently created index.  I think this
would need a new flag and everywhere in the planner would need to be
adjusted to ignore indexes when that flag is false.

That is a great call and I wasn't thinking of the semantics with the existing usage of concurrently created indexes. 
 

> Additional Considerations:
> - Keeping the index up-to-date while it’s disabled seems preferable, as it avoids the need to rebuild the index if it’s re-enabled later. The alternative would be dropping and rebuilding the index upon re-enabling, which I believe would introduce additional overhead in terms of application logic & complexity.

I think the primary use case here is to assist in dropping useless
indexes in a way that can very quickly be undone if the index is more
useful than thought. If you didn't keep the index up-to-date then that
would make the feature useless for that purpose.

+1 
 

If we get the skip scan feature for PG18, then there's likely going to
be lots of people with indexes that they might want to consider
removing after upgrading. Maybe this is a good time to consider this
feature as it possibly won't ever be more useful than it will be after
we get skip scans.

David

Thank you for the feedback again, I will look into the changes required and accordingly propose a PATCH. 

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Kind Regards,
Shayon Mukherjee

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