On Tue, Aug 30, 2022 at 9:37 PM Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 2022-08-30 at 18:50 -0700, Peter Geoghegan wrote:
> > Since VM snapshots are immutable, it should be relatively
> > easy to have the implementation make its final decision on skipping
> > only *after* lazy_scan_heap() returns.
>
> I like this idea.
I was hoping that you would. I imagine that this idea (with minor
variations) could enable an approach that's much closer to what you
were thinking of: one that mostly focuses on controlling the number of
unfrozen pages, and not so much on advancing relfrozenxid early, just
because we can and we might not get another chance for a long time. In
other words your idea of a design that can freeze more during a
non-aggressive VACUUM, while still potentially skipping all-visible
pages.
I said earlier on that we ought to at least have a strong bias in the
direction of advancing relfrozenxid in larger tables, especially when
we decide to freeze whole pages more eagerly -- we only get one chance
to advance relfrozenxid per VACUUM, and those opportunities will
naturally be few and far between. We cannot really justify all this
extra freezing if it doesn't prevent antiwraparound autovacuums. That
was more or less my objection to going in that direction.
But if we can more or less double the number of opportunities to at
least ask the question "is now a good time to advance relfrozenxid?"
without really paying much for keeping this option open (and I think
that we can), my concern about relfrozenxid advancement becomes far
less important. Just being able to ask that question is significantly
less rare and precious. Plus we'll probably be able to make
significantly better decisions about relfrozenxid overall with the
"second phase because I changed my mind about skipping" concept in
place.
--
Peter Geoghegan
