On Tue, Jan 10, 2023 at 12:19 PM Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't understand what distinction you're making. It seems like
> hair-splitting to me. We should be able to reproduce problems like
> this reliably, at least with the aid of a debugger and some
> breakpoints, before we go changing the code.
So we can *never* change something defensively, on the basis of a
suspected or theoretical hazard, either in backbranches or just on
HEAD? Not under any circumstances, ever?
> The risk of being wrong
> is quite high because the code is subtle, and the consequences of
> being wrong are potentially very bad because the code is critical to
> data integrity. If the reproducer doesn't require a debugger or other
> extreme contortions, then we should consider reducing it to a TAP test
> that can be committed. If you agree with that, then I'm not sure what
> your last email was complaining about.
I was complaining about your prescribing conditions on proceeding with
a commit, based on an understanding of things that you yourself
acknowledged as incomplete. I cannot imagine how you read that as an
unwillingness to test the issue, especially given that I agreed to
work on that before you chimed in.
> > I have been unable to reproduce the problem, and think it's possible
> > that the issue cannot be triggered in practice. Though only through
> > sheer luck. Here's why that is:
> I guess I'm not very sure that this is sheer luck.
That's just my characterization. Other people can make up their own minds.
> For the purposes of clarifying my understanding, is this the code
> you're principally worried about?
> visibilitymap_set(vacrel->rel, blkno, buf, InvalidXLogRecPtr,
> vmbuffer, InvalidTransactionId,
> VISIBILITYMAP_ALL_FROZEN);
Obviously I meant this call site, since it's the only one that passes
VISIBILITYMAP_ALL_FROZEN as its flags, without also passing
VISIBILITYMAP_ALL_VISIBLE -- in vacuumlazy.c, and in general.
The other visibilitymap_set() callsite that you quoted is from the
second heap pass, where LP_DEAD items are vacuumed and become
LP_UNUSED items. That isn't buggy, but it is a silly approach, in that
it cares about what the visibility map says about the page being
all-visible, as if it might take a dissenting view that needs to be
taken into consideration (obviously we know what's going on with the
page because we just scanned it ourselves, and determined that it was
at least all-visible).
--
Peter Geoghegan
