On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 3:26 AM Andrey Borodin <x4mmm@yandex-team.ru> wrote:
> > 4 нояб. 2021 г., в 20:58, Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> написал(а):
> > That's a pretty unlikely scenario. And even
> > if it happened it would only happen once (until the next time we get
> > unlucky). What are the chances of somebody noticing a more or less
> > once-off, slightly wrong answer?
>
> I'd say next to impossible, yet not impossible. Or, perhaps, I do not see protection from this.
I think that that's probably all correct -- I would certainly make the
same guess. It's very unlikely to happen, and when it does happen it
happens only once.
> Moreover there's a "microvacuum". It kills tuples with BUFFER_LOCK_SHARE. AFAIU it should take cleanup lock on buffer
too?
No, because there is no heap vacuuming involved (because that doesn't
happen outside lazyvacuum.c). The work that VACUUM does inside
lazy_vacuum_heap_rel() is part of the problem here -- we need an
interlock between that work, and index-only scans. Making LP_DEAD
items in heap pages LP_UNUSED is only ever possible during a VACUUM
operation (I'm sure you know why). AFAICT there would be no bug at all
without that detail.
I believe that there have been several historic reasons why we need a
cleanup lock during nbtree VACUUM, and that there is only one
remaining reason for it today. So the history is unusually complicated. But
AFAICT it's always some kind of "interlock with heapam VACUUM" issue,
with TID recycling, with no protection from our MVCC snapshot. I would
say that that's the "real problem" here, when I get to first principles.
Attached draft patch attempts to explain things in this area within
the nbtree README. There is a much shorter comment about it within
vacuumlazy.c. I am concerned about GiST index-only scans themselves,
of course, but I discovered this issue when thinking carefully about
the concurrency rules for VACUUM -- I think it's valuable to formalize
and justify the general rules that index access methods must follow.
We can talk about this some more in NYC. See you soon!
--
Peter Geoghegan
