Re: proposal: schema variables - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Pavel Stehule
Subject Re: proposal: schema variables
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Msg-id CAFj8pRAsEoeZv0HEnA8CKgFKDSQ-wYw18Os1vdksWCV7ez2bVw@mail.gmail.com
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ne 10. 11. 2024 v 17:19 odesílatel Pavel Stehule <pavel.stehule@gmail.com> napsal:


ne 10. 11. 2024 v 16:24 odesílatel Dmitry Dolgov <9erthalion6@gmail.com> napsal:
Hi folks,

Thanks for continuing this work. As a side note, I would like to mention
how strange the situation in this CF item is. If I understand correctly,
there are two hackers threads discussing the same patch, with recent
patches posted in both of them. This is obviously confusing, e.g. the
main concern from another thread, about names clashing, wasn't even
mentioned in this one. Is it possible to reconcile development in one
thread?

This is probably my error. I don't try to organize threads, just I'll try to reply in the thread where I got a question.

I thought a lot of time about better solutions for identifier collisions and I really don't think so there is some consistent user friendly syntax. Personally I think there is an easy already implemented solution - convention - just use a dedicated schema for variables and this schema should not be in the search path. Or use secondary convention - like using prefix "__" for session variables. Common convention is using "_" for PLpgSQL variables. I searched how this issue is solved in other databases, or in standard, and I found nothing special. The Oracle and SQL/PSM has a concept of visibility - the variables are not visible outside packages or modules, but Postgres has nothing similar. It can be emulated by a dedicated schema without inserting a search path, but it is less strong.

I think we can introduce an alternative syntax, that will not be user friendly or readable friendly, but it can be without collisions - or can decrease possible risks.

It is nothing new - SQL does it with old, "new" syntax of inner joins, or in Postgres we can
where salary < 40000 
or

where pg_catalog.int4lt(salary, 40000);

or some like we use for operators OPERATOR(schema.operatorname)

So introducing VARIABLE(schema.variablename) syntax as an alternative syntax for accessing variables I really like. I strongly prefer to use this as only alternative (secondary) syntax, because I don't think it is friendly syntax or writing friendly, but it is safe, and I can imagine tools that can replace generic syntax to this special, or that detects generic syntax and shows some warning. Then users can choose what they prefer. Two syntaxes - generic and special can be good enough for all - and this can be perfectly consistent with current Postgres.

Regards

Pavel


Regards

Pavel
 

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