On 7/13/16 4:11 PM, Robert Haas wrote: > On Thu, Jun 16, 2016 at 3:42 AM, Magnus Hagander <magnus@hagander.net> wrote: >> You would think so. >> >> The default mode of "prefer" is ridiculous in a lot of ways. If you are >> using SSL in any shape or form you should simply not use "prefer". That's >> really the only answer at this point, unfortunately. > > Suppose we changed the default to "require". How crazy would that be?
If we think that that is appropriate, should we not also change the default pg_hba.conf to hostssl lines?
I'm not convinced either of these would go over well.
It would actually, IMO, make more sense to change the default pg_hba lines and not change the client settings... But I'm not sure either of those would go over well.
The original complaint was not actually that "prefer" is a bad default, but that in the presence of a root certificate on the client, a certificate validation failure falls back to plain text. That seems like a design flaw of the "prefer" mode, no matter whether it is the default or not.
The entire "prefer" mode is a design flaw, that we unfortunately picked as default mode.
If it fails *for any reason*, it falls back to plaintext. Thus, you have to assume it will make a plaintext connection. Thus, it gives you zero guarantees, so it serves no actual purpose from a security perspective.
it will equally fall back on incompatible SSL configs. Or on a network hiccup. The presence of the certificate is just one of many different scenarios where it will fall back.
If you care about encryption, you should pick something else (require/verify). If you don't care about encryption, you should pick something else (allow, probably) so as not to pay unnecessary overhead.
