Re: Is there way to detect uncommitted 'new table' in pg_class? - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Hubert Zhang
Subject Re: Is there way to detect uncommitted 'new table' in pg_class?
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In response to Re: Is there way to detect uncommitted 'new table' in pg_class?  (Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz>)
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On Thu, Nov 1, 2018 at 8:38 AM Michael Paquier <michael@paquier.xyz> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 31, 2018 at 01:30:52PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
> In theory, at least, you could write C code to scan the catalog tables
> with SnapshotDirty to find the catalog entries, but I don't think that
> helps a whole lot.  You couldn't necessarily rely on those catalog
> entries to be in a consistent state, and even if they were, they might
> depend on committed types or functions or similar whose definitions
> your backend can't see.  Moreover, the creating backend will have an
> AccessExclusiveLock on the table -- if you write C code to bypass that
> and read the data anyway, then you will probably destabilize the
> entire system for complicated reasons that I don't feel like
> explaining right now.

One take here is that we cannot give any guarantee that a single DDL
will create only one consistent version of the tuple added in system
catalogs.  In those cases a new version is made visible by using
CommandCounterIncrement() so as the follow-up processing can see it.

> You should try very hard to find some way of solving this problem that
> doesn't require reading data from a table that hasn't been committed
> yet, because you are almost certainly not going to be able to make
> that work reliably even if you are willing to write code in C.

+1.
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Michael


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Hubert Zhang

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