Re: Transactions involving multiple postgres foreign servers, take 2 - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

On Fri, 11 Sep 2020 at 18:24, tsunakawa.takay@fujitsu.com
<tsunakawa.takay@fujitsu.com> wrote:
>
> From: Masahiko Sawada <masahiko.sawada@2ndquadrant.com>
> > On Tue, 8 Sep 2020 at 13:00, tsunakawa.takay@fujitsu.com
> > <tsunakawa.takay@fujitsu.com> wrote:
> > > 2. 2PC processing is queued and serialized in one background worker.  That
> > severely subdues transaction throughput.  Each backend should perform
> > 2PC.
> >
> > Not sure it's safe that each backend perform PREPARE and COMMIT
> > PREPARED since the current design is for not leading an inconsistency
> > between the actual transaction result and the result the user sees.
>
> As Fujii-san is asking, I also would like to know what situation you think is not safe.  Are you worried that the
FDW'scommit function might call ereport(ERROR | FATAL | PANIC)?
 

Yes.

> If so, can't we stipulate that the FDW implementor should ensure that the commit function always returns control to
thecaller?
 

How can the FDW implementor ensure that? Since even palloc could call
ereport(ERROR) I guess it's hard to require that to all FDW
implementors.

>
>
> > But in the future, I think we can have multiple background workers per
> > database for better performance.
>
> Does the database in "per database" mean the local database (that applications connect to), or the remote database
accessedvia FDW?
 

I meant the local database. In the current patch, we launch the
resolver process per local database. My idea is to allow launching
multiple resolver processes for one local database as long as the
number of workers doesn't exceed the limit.

>
> I'm wondering how the FDW and background worker(s) can realize parallel prepare and parallel commit.  That is, the
coordinatortransaction performs:
 
>
> 1. Issue prepare to all participant nodes, but doesn't wait for the reply for each issue.
> 2. Waits for replies from all participants.
> 3. Issue commit to all participant nodes, but doesn't wait for the reply for each issue.
> 4. Waits for replies from all participants.
>
> If we just consider PostgreSQL and don't think about FDW, we can use libpq async functions -- PQsendQuery,
PQconsumeInput,and PQgetResult.  pgbench uses them so that one thread can issue SQL statements on multiple connections
inparallel.
 
>
> But when we consider the FDW interface, plus other DBMSs, how can we achieve the parallelism?

It's still a rough idea but I think we can use TMASYNC flag and
xa_complete explained in the XA specification. The core transaction
manager call prepare, commit, rollback APIs with the flag, requiring
to execute the operation asynchronously and to return a handler (e.g.,
a socket taken by PQsocket in postgres_fdw case) to the transaction
manager. Then the transaction manager continues polling the handler
until it becomes readable and testing the completion using by
xa_complete() with no wait, until all foreign servers return OK on
xa_complete check.

>
>
> > > 3. postgres_fdw cannot detect remote updates when the UDF executed on a
> > remote node updates data.
> >
> > I assume that you mean the pushing the UDF down to a foreign server.
> > If so, I think we can do this by improving postgres_fdw. In the current patch,
> > registering and unregistering a foreign server to a group of 2PC and marking a
> > foreign server as updated is FDW responsible. So perhaps if we had a way to
> > tell postgres_fdw that the UDF might update the data on the foreign server,
> > postgres_fdw could mark the foreign server as updated if the UDF is shippable.
>
> Maybe we can consider VOLATILE functions update data.  That may be overreaction, though.

Sorry I don't understand that. The volatile functions are not pushed
down to the foreign servers in the first place, no?

Regards,

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