On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 23:50, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
>
> On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 10:01:02AM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 02:12:46PM +0900, Masahiko Sawada wrote:
> > > On Sat, 21 Mar 2020 at 05:30, Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
> > > > We should create an SQL-level master key that is different from the
> > > > block-level master key. By using separate keys, and not deriving them
> > > > from a single key, they keys can be rotated and migrated to a different
> > > > cluster independently. For example, users might want to create a new
> > > > cluster with a new block-level key, but might want to copy the SQL-level
> > > > key from the old cluster to the new cluster. Both keys would be
> > > > unlocked with the same passphrase.
> > >
> > > I've updated the patch according to yesterday's meeting. As the above
> > > description by Bruce, the current patch have two encryption keys.
> > > Previously we have the master key in pg_control but due to exceeding
> > > the safe size limit of pg_control I moved two keys to the dedicated
> > > file located at global/pg_key. A wrapped key is 128 bytes and the
> > > total size including two wrapped key became 552 bytes while safe limit
> > > is 512 bytes.
> > >
> > > During pg_upgrade we copy the key file from the old cluster to the new
> > > cluster. Therefore we can unwrap the data that is wrapped on the old
> > > cluster on the new cluster.
> >
> > I wonder if we should just use two files, one for each key.
>
> Actually, I think we need three files:
>
> * TDE WAL key file
> * TDE block key file
> * SQL-level file
>
> Primaries and standbys have to use the same TDE WAL key file, but can
> use different TDE block key files to allow for key rotation, so having
> separate files makes sense --- maybe they need to be in their own
> directory.
I've considered to have separate key files once but it would make
things complex to update multiple files atomically. Postgres server
will never start if it crashes in the middle of cluster passphrase
rotation. Can we consider to have keys related to TDE after we
introduce the basic key management system? Probably having keys in a
separate file rather than in pg_control file would be better but we
don't need these keys so far.
Regards,
--
Masahiko Sawada http://www.2ndQuadrant.com/
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