On Tue, 2023-10-24 at 15:05 -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 14:42 Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 24, 2023 at 1:46 PM Jeff Davis <pgsql@j-davis.com> wrote:
> > > Perhaps the idea is that if there are constraints involved, the failure
> > > or success of an INSERT/UPDATE/DELETE could leak information that you
> > > don't have privileges to read.
> >
> > My recollection of this topic is pretty hazy, but like Tom, I seem to
> > remember it being intentional, and I think the reason had something to
> > do with wanting the slice of a RLS-protect table that you can see to
> > feel like a complete table. When you update a row in a table all of
> > which is visible to you, the updated row can never vanish as a result
> > of that update, so it was thought, if I remember correctly, that this
> > should also be true here. It's also similar to what happens if an
> > updatable view has WITH CHECK OPTION, and I think that was part of the
> > precedent as well. I don't know whether or not the constraint issue
> > that you mention here was also part of the concern, but it may have
> > been. This was all quite a while ago...
>
> Yes, having it be similar to a view WITH CHECK OPTION was intentional,
> also on not wishing for things to be able to disappear or to not get saved.
> The risk of a constraint possibly causing the leak of information is better
> than either having data just thrown away or having the constraint not
> provide the guarantee it’s supposed to …
Thanks everybody for looking and remembering.
I can accept that the error is intentional, even though it violated the
POLA for me. I can buy into the argument that an UPDATE should not make
a row seem to vanish.
I cannot buy into the constraint argument. If the table owner wanted to
prevent you from causing a constraint violation error with a row you
cannot see, she wouldn't have given you a FOR UPDATE policy that allows
you to perform such an UPDATE.
Anyway, it is probably too late to change a behavior that has been like
that for a while and is not manifestly buggy.
Yours,
Laurenz Albe
