On 7/9/19 8:39 AM, Ryan Lambert wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
>> CBC mode does require
>> random nonces, other modes may be fine with even sequences as long as
>> the values are not reused.
>
> I disagree that CBC mode requires random nonces, at least based on what
> NIST has published. They only require that the IV (not the nonce) must
> be unpredictable per [1]:
>
> " For the CBC and CFB modes, the IVs must be unpredictable."
>
> The unpredictable IV can be generated from a non-random nonce including
> a counter:
>
> "There are two recommended methods for generating unpredictable IVs. The
> first method is to apply the forward cipher function, under the same key
> that is used for the encryption of the plaintext, to a nonce. The nonce
> must be a data block that is unique to each execution of the encryption
> operation. For example, the nonce may be a counter, as described in
> Appendix B, or a message number."
>
> [1] https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/Legacy/SP/nistspecialpublication800-38a.pdf
The terms nonce and IV are often used more-or-less interchangeably, and
it is important to be clear when we are talking about an IV specifically
- an IV is a specific type of nonce. Nonce means "number used once".
i.e. unique, whereas an IV (for CBC use anyway) should be unique and
random but not necessarily kept secret. The NIST requirements that
Stephen referenced elsewhere on this thread are as I understand it
intended to ensure the random but unique property with high probability.
Joe
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