Re: Idea for getting rid of VACUUM FREEZE on cold pages - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Jan Wieck
Subject Re: Idea for getting rid of VACUUM FREEZE on cold pages
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In response to Re: Idea for getting rid of VACUUM FREEZE on cold pages  (Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>)
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Seems I underestimated the importance of forensic breadcrumbs.


On 6/9/2010 12:09 PM, Tom Lane wrote:
> I do like the idea of using a status bit rather than FrozenXid to mark a
> frozen tuple, because that eliminates the conflict between wanting to
> freeze aggressively for performance reasons and wanting to preserve Xids
> for forensic reasons.  But it doesn't seem to do much for Josh's
> original problem.

Depends. Specifically on transaction profiles and how long the blocks 
linger around before being written. If you can set the all visible bit 
by the time, the page is written the first time, what bit including the 
is-frozen one cannot be set at that time too?

Maybe some analysis on the typical behavior of such system is in order. 
Especially the case Josh was mentioning seems to be a typical single 
insert logging style application, with little else going on on that 
particular database. I can't reveal specifics about that particular 
case, but think of something like taking frequent sensor readings, that 
need to be kept for years for forensics in case there is a product 
recall some day.

And even if some cases still required another page write because those 
frozen bits cannot be set on first write, this seems to be a win-win. We 
would get rid of the FrozenXid completely and shift to a bit, so we can 
effectively have a min_ freeze_age of zero while keeping the xid's forever.


Jan

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