Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404

From: Marc G. Fournier
Subject: Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404
Date: ,
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In response to: Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Andrew Sullivan)
Responses: Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404  (Robert Treat)
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Gborg: announcement by 404  ("Greg Sabino Mullane", )
 Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Shane Ambler, )
  Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Andrew Sullivan, )
   Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
    Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404  (Robert Treat, )
   Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Shane Ambler, )
    Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Andrew Sullivan, )
 Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Gregory Stark, )
  Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Michael Paesold, )
   Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Magnus Hagander, )
 Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
  Redirects for gborg are in place  ("Greg Sabino Mullane", )
   Re: Redirects for gborg are in place  (Dave Page, )
   Re: Redirects for gborg are in place  (Michael Paesold, )
    Re: Redirects for gborg are in place  (Andrew Sullivan, )
   Re: Redirects for gborg are in place  (Robert Treat, )
 Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
  Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Robert Treat, )
   Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
    Please take Gborg thread off of -advocacy  (Josh Berkus, )
 Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404  (Andrew Sullivan, )
  Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404  (Bruce Momjian, )

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For all the discussions on why doing this so quickly was such a bad idea, do
you realize that *so far*, there have been a whole three *active* projects that
hadn't been moved over?  pgweb, pljava and pgjdbc ...

There may be other projects that hadn't moved yet, but they are either dead
projects, or so little used that nobody has noticed the site is down ... but
that is why there is a backup of the code and mailing lists, *just in case* ...


- --On Wednesday, November 14, 2007 10:43:02 -0500 Andrew Sullivan
<> wrote:

> On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 06:18:36PM +1030, Shane Ambler wrote:
>>
>> Yes, well, it has only taken a few years to transfer across and finalise
>> the move so you may have missed some of the notices and discussions.
>
> I think this misses the point.  Here's the way the move was handled:
>
> Day N : "We need to move gborg."
> Day N+7: "We still need to move gborg."
> Day N+6 months: "We still need to move gborg."
> Day N+1 year: "We still need to move gborg."
> Day N+2 years: "We still need to move gborg."
> Day M-1 day: "I'm turning gborg of tomorrow!"
> Day M: gborg off
>
> Somewhere between Day N+2 years and Day M-1, there really ought to have been
> the following:
>
> Day M-30 days: "Gborg will be decommissioned in 30 days."
> Day M-7 days: "Gborg will be decommissioned in 7 days.  If you haven't moved
>         your data yet, get to work!  This deadline won't be moved."
>
> &c.
>
> I don't believe this is too much to ask, for any of our services.  I have
> the impression that some members of the www group believe the same thing.
> This project is now far too large to make decisions one day and put them
> into place the next.  It's _also_ far too large not to set reasonable
> deadlines for members of the community, and stick to them, in respect of
> hosted infrastructure -- provided the lead time for that sort of
> administrative work is long enough.  Note that, "We really need to do
> something about this," isn't a deadline.
>
> A
>
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