Re: Gborg: announcement by 404

From: Andrew Sullivan
Subject: Re: Gborg: announcement by 404
Date: ,
Msg-id: 20071114154302.GE16041@crankycanuck.ca
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In response to: Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Shane Ambler)
Responses: Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404  ("Marc G. Fournier")
Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Shane Ambler)
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Gborg: announcement by 404  ("Greg Sabino Mullane", )
 Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Shane Ambler, )
  Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Andrew Sullivan, )
   Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
    Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404  (Robert Treat, )
   Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Shane Ambler, )
    Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Andrew Sullivan, )
 Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Gregory Stark, )
  Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Michael Paesold, )
   Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Magnus Hagander, )
 Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404  ("Marc G. Fournier", )
  Redirects for gborg are in place  ("Greg Sabino Mullane", )
   Re: Redirects for gborg are in place  (Dave Page, )
   Re: Redirects for gborg are in place  (Michael Paesold, )
    Re: Redirects for gborg are in place  (Andrew Sullivan, )
   Re: Redirects for gborg are in place  (Robert Treat, )
 Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
  Re: Gborg: announcement by 404  (Robert Treat, )
   Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404  ("Joshua D. Drake", )
    Please take Gborg thread off of -advocacy  (Josh Berkus, )
 Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404  (Andrew Sullivan, )
  Re: [pgsql-www] Gborg: announcement by 404  (Bruce Momjian, )

On Wed, Nov 14, 2007 at 06:18:36PM +1030, Shane Ambler wrote:
>
> Yes, well, it has only taken a few years to transfer across and finalise
> the move so you may have missed some of the notices and discussions.

I think this misses the point.  Here's the way the move was handled:

Day N : "We need to move gborg."
Day N+7: "We still need to move gborg."
Day N+6 months: "We still need to move gborg."
Day N+1 year: "We still need to move gborg."
Day N+2 years: "We still need to move gborg."
Day M-1 day: "I'm turning gborg of tomorrow!"
Day M: gborg off

Somewhere between Day N+2 years and Day M-1, there really ought to have been
the following:

Day M-30 days: "Gborg will be decommissioned in 30 days."
Day M-7 days: "Gborg will be decommissioned in 7 days.  If you haven't moved
        your data yet, get to work!  This deadline won't be moved."

&c.

I don't believe this is too much to ask, for any of our services.  I have
the impression that some members of the www group believe the same thing.
This project is now far too large to make decisions one day and put them
into place the next.  It's _also_ far too large not to set reasonable
deadlines for members of the community, and stick to them, in respect of
hosted infrastructure -- provided the lead time for that sort of
administrative work is long enough.  Note that, "We really need to do
something about this," isn't a deadline.

A

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