Re: Buglist - Mailing list pgsql-general

From Jan Wieck
Subject Re: Buglist
Date
Msg-id 3F439DBA.3010901@Yahoo.com
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In response to Re: Buglist  (Vivek Khera <khera@kcilink.com>)
Responses Re: Buglist  (Vivek Khera <khera@kcilink.com>)
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Vivek Khera wrote:

>>>>>> "BW" == Bruno Wolff, <Bruno> writes:
>
>>> to see it incremental.  This would result in pretty much near zero
>>> internal fragmentation, I think.
>
> BW> Why do you care about about the details of the implementation (rather than
> BW> the performance)? If it were faster to do it that way, that's how it would
> BW> have been done in the first place. The cost of doing the above is almost
> BW> certainly going to be an overall performance loser.
>
> I care for the performance.  And how are you so sure that it was
> faster the way it is now?  Are you sure it was not done this way
> because of ease of implementation?

Among some locking issues when doing btree deletes as opposed to scan
and insert operations, there is no direct pointer from a data (heap) row
to it's index entries. VACUUM remembers all the ctid's it removed from
the heap in it's batch run and then does a full scan of the indexes to
remove all the index entries pointing to these ctid's. Your idea is (so
far) lacking a place where to remember all the single removed rows and I
assume you're not planning to pay the cost of a full scan over all
indexes of a table to reclaim the space of one data row, are you?

>
> Seriously, how much slower can it be if the backend were to do the
> checking for external references upon updating/deleting a row?  The
> cost would be distributed across time as opposed to concentrated at
> once within a vacuum process.  I am fairly certian it would reduce
> disk bandwidth requirements since at least one necessary page will
> already be in memory.

I am fairly certain that holds true for tables without indexes only.


Jan

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