Re: Postgres performance slowly gets worse over a month - Mailing list pgsql-admin

I look at it like this:

Your database takes up space X after a full vacuum and is ready for the next 6 months of inserts.  Then , over the next 6 months it grows by space Y, it now occupies X+Y Space.

You then remove a bunch of old tuples.  Space is still X+Y.  You now have 2 basic options:

1.  Run a vacuum full -- this locks the entier table, and de-fragments all unused space, so space is now back to X. Table will grow incremently by Y over the next 6 months again.
2.  Run a lazy vacuum-- no lock, no de-fragment, space is still X+Y.  Assuming max_fsm_pages was large enough to hold all the changed pages, over the next 6 months, the space remains fixed at about X+Y.  You are now re-using the unused table space.

Either solution will work.  If you really want to cut disk space, choose 1.  If you want to keep the space at about it optimal size and avoid any downtime, choose 2.

--Michael


Michael G. Martin wrote:

Yea, you're correct.  I think you'll be able to avoid the vacuum full and re-use the tuples by making sure max_fsm_pages is large enough to handle the number of pages changed by the 6-month massacre. After your vacuum, note the unused tuples and page size of the table.  Then, as you incremently add new stuff over the next 6 months, you should see the unused tuples decrease while the page size remains failry fixed.  The only other thing you may want to do more frequently is analyze if the new tuples might change some statistics during the 6-month interval.

--Michael

Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote:

Perhaps I wasn't clear. There really aren't any (daily) "no-longer needed 
tuples", just added ones. I am under the impression that vacuum is just for
freeing up tuples to be re-used, so the only time it needs to be run is after
the 6-monthly tuple massacre, at which time I would also need to set
max_fsm_pages to a huge number. 

--- "Michael G. Martin" <michael@vpmonline.com> wrote: 

I believe the more frequently you vacuum, the faster it will go, so that 
may be the driving factor in deciding.  Personally, each day, I'd add 
the new tuples then remove the no-longer needed tuples, make sure 
max_fsm_pages is large enough to handle all the pages removed in the 
largest table, then run a vacuum analyze on the table or entire 
database.  Run it each night and it will be nice and fast and you 
shouldn't ever need to worry about locking the entire table with a 
vacuum full or spend time to re-create the table and indicies.

That's what I do which I think is the most automated,maintainance-free 
solution.  I currently run a lazy vacuum analyze each night after making 
my large changes.  My tables don't change enough during the day to 
require mid-day vacuums.

--Michael

Joshua Daniel Franklin wrote:   

In addition, max_fsm_pages has an impact on how many pages will be
available to be marked as re-usable.  If you have a huge table and
changes are impacting more than the default 10,000 pages this is set to,
you will want to bump this number up.  My problem was I saw my UnUsed
tuples always growing and not being re-used until I bumped this value
up.  As I watched the vacuum verbose output each run, I notices more
than 10k pages were in fact changing between vacuums.
       

This has made me think about something we've been doing. We've got one
db that is used basically read-only; every day ~15000 records are added,
but very rarely are any deleted. What we've been doing is just letting it
sit until it gets close to too big for the filesystem, then lopping off
the earliest 6 months worth of records. The question is, is it best
to do this then set the max_fsm_pages to a huge number and vacuum full?
Or should I change it so scripts remove the oldest day and vacuum before
adding the next days?

Or just rebuild the db every time. :)
     

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