Re: First steps with 8.3 and autovacuum launcher - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Tom Lane
Subject Re: First steps with 8.3 and autovacuum launcher
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Msg-id 26169.1192198797@sss.pgh.pa.us
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In response to Re: First steps with 8.3 and autovacuum launcher  (Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com>)
Responses Re: First steps with 8.3 and autovacuum launcher
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Simon Riggs <simon@2ndquadrant.com> writes:
> I think the best way to handle this is to have two limits.
> First limit attempts to autovacuum, but can be cancelled.
> When we hit second limit, sometime later, then autovacuum cannot be
> cancelled.

This seems like uselessly complex overdesign.

Remember that we still have the 8.1-era mechanism of warning messages
and eventual shutdown of normal backends as the wrap point gets closer.
A DBA who persists in cancelling antiwraparound vacuums will start
getting nasty warnings, and if he still persists will eventually be
forced to do the vacuuming manually in a standalone backend (which will
go at full speed btw).

I concur with Simon's original argument that it's a terrible idea to
make a background vacuum cancel-proof.  Pretty much the entire argument
for having vacuum at all (as opposed to say Oracle-style rollback) is
that it's good to be able to postpone maintenance overhead to a time of
the DBA's choosing.  I don't see a reason why that doesn't apply to
anti-wraparound vacuuming too.  If he postpones it too long, the
recovery will get unpleasant, but that's his choice.

An independent reason for minimizing complexity in this area is that
it's a corner case that (I trust) will never be hit by most
installations, which means it'll never get much field testing.
Poorly tested complicated code is dangerous.

In short: put in the automatic lock cancel for regular vacuums, disable
it for antiwraparound vacuums, but don't disable manual cancels; and
definitely don't invent a complicated new set of behaviors around that.
        regards, tom lane


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