Re: Patch for 8.5, transformationHook - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Tom Lane
Subject Re: Patch for 8.5, transformationHook
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Msg-id 23978.1249935981@sss.pgh.pa.us
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In response to Re: Patch for 8.5, transformationHook  ("Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov>)
Responses Re: Patch for 8.5, transformationHook  ("Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov>)
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"Kevin Grittner" <Kevin.Grittner@wicourts.gov> writes:
> Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us> wrote:
>> In the specific case of COALESCE, we could theoretically do that,
>> since the only computation it needs is "IS NULL" which is
>> datatype-independent.
> Well, in the SQL specification, COALESCE is defined as an abbreviation
> of the CASE predicate, so to the extent that anyone pays attention to
> the spec, this:
>   COALESCE(a, b)
> should be treated identically to:
>   CASE WHEN a IS NULL THEN a ELSE b END

... as indeed we do.  That CASE will be handled the same way as the
COALESCE is, ie, resolve as text output for lack of a better idea.

>> In most situations, however, you can't evaluate the function without
>> knowledge of the datatype semantics.  As an example, consider
>> NULLIF('0', '00').  This gives different answers if you suppose the
>> literals are text than if you suppose they are integers.
> That is the other CASE abbreviation.  (The only other one.)  So,
> according to how I read the spec, it should be identical to 
>   CASE WHEN '0' = '00' THEN NULL ELSE '0' END

Yes, and you're begging the question: what are the semantics
of that = operator?  Without imputing a datatype to the literals,
you can't resolve it.
> It is probably a poor choice on the part of the standards committee to
> implement these abbreviations for the CASE predicate in a way the
> causes them to look so much like functions.

Whether it's a function has nothing to do with this.  It's a question of
datatype-dependent semantics, and it would be the same no matter what
the visual appearance of the constructs was.
        regards, tom lane


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