On 2025-04-08 Tu 12:11 PM, Bruce Momjian wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 06:00:27PM +0200, Peter Eisentraut wrote:
>> On 08.04.25 16:59, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>>> On Tue, Apr 8, 2025 at 10:36:45AM -0400, Bruce Momjian wrote:
>>>> Since we recorded feature freeze as April 8, 2025 0:00 AoE (anywhere on
>>>> Earth):
>>>>
>>>> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/PostgreSQL_18_Open_Items#Important_Dates
>>>> https://www.timeanddate.com/time/zones/aoe
>>>>
>>>> and it is now 2:34 AM AoE, I guess we are now in feature freeze.
>>> Frankly, I think the name "anywhere on Earth" is confusing, since it
>>> really is "everywhere on Earth":
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anywhere_on_Earth
>>>
>>> Anywhere on Earth (AoE) is a calendar designation that indicates
>>> that a period expires when the date passes everywhere on Earth.
>> Yes, that works intuitively when you specify that sometimes ends when a
>> certain day ends, for example:
>>
>> "The feature development phase ends at the end of day of April 7, AoE."
>>
>> That means, everyone everywhere can just look up at their clock and see,
>> it's still April 7, it's still going. (Of course, others can then do the
>> analysis and keep going until some time on April 8, but that would be sort
>> of against the spirit.)
>>
>> If you use it as a time zone with a time of day, it doesn't make intuitive
>> sense.
> Well, they kind of did this by saying midnight on April 8 AoE, rather
> than end-of-day in April 7 AoE. Actually, I had originally said April 8
> AoE and then was told I had to specify a time --- maybe the time was the
> mistake, and we still have April 8 to add features. ;-)
>
The fact that there is this confusion is an indication that the AoE
experiment is a failure. If it's not obvious, and people have to think
about it, then it's not working. And I bet there is a huge number of
people who have never even heard of it. Specify some time and data at
UTC and everyone will understand.
cheers
andrew
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