Re: [Fwd: Re: [PATCHES] 64-bit CommandIds] - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Hans-Juergen Schoenig
Subject Re: [Fwd: Re: [PATCHES] 64-bit CommandIds]
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Msg-id 212ED11B-7C35-4272-8B76-21AF89EA8D85@cybertec.at
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In response to Re: [Fwd: Re: [PATCHES] 64-bit CommandIds]  (Gregory Stark <stark@enterprisedb.com>)
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"Decibel!" <decibel@decibel.org> writes:

If we're going to make this a ./configure option, ISTM we should do  the same
with XID size as well. I know there are high-velocity  databases that could use
that.

Keep in mind we just changed things so that read-only transactions don't
consume xids. That means you would have to be actually modifying 2-billion
records before wrap-around becomes an issue.

If you're modifying 2-billion records that quickly presumably you're going to
have other pressing reasons to run vacuum aside from xid freezing...

Also, consider that you're suggesting increasing the per-tuple overhead from
24 bytes to, if my arithmetic is right, 40 bytes. 

So really you would need, say, a system with enough i/o bandwidth to handle
2-billion updates or inserts per day and with enough spare i/o bandwidth that
another 16-bytes on every one of those updates is ok, but without the ability
to run vacuum.

Also, we still have hope that the visibility map info will make running vacuum
even less of an imposition.

All that said I don't really see much reason not to make it an option. I just
don't think anyone really needs it. In 5-10 years though...



Doing this for XIDs is pretty useless this days.
It is only targeted for command ids which are consumed heavily by stored procedure languages.
It happens once on a while that a complex business logic procedure runs out of command ids inside a transaction.
the idea is to give users a chance to avoid that.
touching XIDs does not make sense to me at all.

many thanks,

hans



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