Re: storing an explicit nonce - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Bruce Momjian
Subject Re: storing an explicit nonce
Date
Msg-id 20211007185247.GB24305@momjian.us
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In response to Re: storing an explicit nonce  (Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com>)
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On Thu, Oct  7, 2021 at 02:44:43PM -0400, Robert Haas wrote:
> > I think this whole discussion is about whether we need full page images
> > for hint bit changes.  I think we do if we use the LSN for the nonce (in
> > the old patch), and probably need it for hint bit changes when using
> > block cipher modes (XTS) if we feel basebackup could read only part of a
> > 16-byte page change.
> 
> I think all the encryption modes that we're still considering have the
> (very desirable) property that changing a single bit of the
> unencrypted page perturbs the entire output. But that just means that

Well, XTS perturbs the 16-byte block, while CBC changes the rest of the
page.

> encrypted clusters will have to run in the same mode as clusters with
> checksums, or clusters with wal_log_hints=on, features which the
> community has already accepted as having reasonable overhead. I have
> in the past expressed skepticism about whether that overhead is really
> small enough to be considered acceptable, but if I recall correctly,
> the test results posted to the list suggest that you need a working
> set just a little bit large than shared_buffers to make it really
> sting. And that's not a super-common thing to do. Anyway, if people
> aren't screaming about the overhead of that system now, they're not
> likely to complain about applying it to some new situation either.

Yes, agreed, good conclusions.

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