Re: Comment explaining why vacuum needs to push snapshot seemsinsufficient. - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Alvaro Herrera
Subject Re: Comment explaining why vacuum needs to push snapshot seemsinsufficient.
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Msg-id 20200415215658.GA24860@alvherre.pgsql
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In response to Comment explaining why vacuum needs to push snapshot seemsinsufficient.  (Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de>)
Responses Re: Comment explaining why vacuum needs to push snapshot seemsinsufficient.
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On 2020-Apr-05, Andres Freund wrote:

> vacuum_rel() has the following comment:
>     /*
>      * Functions in indexes may want a snapshot set.  Also, setting a snapshot
>      * ensures that RecentGlobalXmin is kept truly recent.
>      */
>     PushActiveSnapshot(GetTransactionSnapshot());
> 
> which was added quite a while ago in
> 
> commit d53a56687f3d4772d17ffa0013a33231b7163731

Note that what that commit did was change the snapshot acquisition from
occurring solely during vacuum full to being acquired always -- and
added a small additional bit of knowledge:

-   if (vacstmt->full)
-   {
-       /* functions in indexes may want a snapshot set */
-       PushActiveSnapshot(GetTransactionSnapshot());
-   }
-   else
+   /*
+    * Functions in indexes may want a snapshot set.  Also, setting
+    * a snapshot ensures that RecentGlobalXmin is kept truly recent.
+    */
+   PushActiveSnapshot(GetTransactionSnapshot());

so I wouldn't blame that commit for failing to understand all the side
effects of acquiring a snapshot there and then.

> But to me that's understating the issue. Don't we e.g. need a snapshot
> to ensure that pg_subtrans won't be truncated away?  I thought xlog.c
> doesn't pass PROCARRAY_FLAGS_VACUUM to GetOldestXmin when truncating?
>         TruncateSUBTRANS(GetOldestXmin(NULL, PROCARRAY_FLAGS_DEFAULT));

Nice find.  This bug would probably be orders-of-magnitude easier to hit
now than it was in 2008 -- given both the hardware advances and the
increased transaction rates.

> Also, without an xmin set, it seems possible that vacuum could see some
> of the transaction ids it uses (in local memory) wrap around.

Ditto.

> How about replacing it with something like
>     /*
>      * Need to acquire a snapshot to prevent pg_subtrans from being truncated,
>      * cutoff xids in local memory wrapping around, and to have updated xmin
>      * horizons.
>      */

"While we don't typically need a snapshot, we need the side effects of
acquiring one: having an xmin prevents concurrent pg_subtrans truncation
and prevents our cutoff Xids from becoming wrapped-around; this also
updates our Xmin horizons.  Lastly, functions in indexes may want a
snapshot set."

(You omitted that last point without explanation -- maybe on purpose?
is it no longer needed?)

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