Hi,
On 2018-12-19 16:56:36 -0800, Andres Freund wrote:
> On 2018-12-19 19:39:33 -0500, Tom Lane wrote:
> > Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> writes:
> > > On Wed, Dec 19, 2018 at 5:37 PM Andres Freund <andres@anarazel.de> wrote:
> > >> What's gained by the logic of emitting that warning in VACUUM after a
> > >> crash? I don't really see any robustness advantages in it.
> >
> > > I don't know. I am just normally reluctant to change things
> > > precipitously that are of long tenure.
> >
> > Me too, but I think Andres has a point here. Those warnings in VACUUM
> > are ancient, probably predating the introduction of WAL :-(. At the
> > time there was good reason to be suspicious of zeroed pages in tables.
> > Now, though, we have (what we think is) a bulletproof crash recovery
> > procedure in which possibly-zeroed pages are to be expected; so we're
> > just causing users unnecessary alarm by warning about them. I think
> > it's reasonable to, if not remove the messages entirely, at least
> > downgrade them to a low DEBUG level.
>
> Yea, I think that'd be reasonable.
>
> I think we ought to add them, as new/zero pages, to the FSM. If we did
> so both during vacuum and RelationAddExtraBlocks() we'd avoid the
> redundant writes, and avoid depending on heap layout in
> RelationAddExtraBlocks().
>
> I wonder if it'd make sense to only log a DEBUG if there's no
> corresponding FSM entry. That'd obviously not be bulltproof, but it'd
> reduce the spammyness considerably.
Here's a prototype patch implementing this change. I'm not sure the new
DEBUG message is really worth it?
Looking at the surrounding code made me wonder about the wisdom of
entering empty pages as all-visible and all-frozen into the VM. That'll
mean we'll never re-discover them on a primary, after promotion. There's
no mechanism to add such pages to the FSM on a standby (in contrast to
e.g. pages where tuples are modified), as vacuum will never visit that
page again. Now obviously it has the advantage of avoiding
re-processing the page in the next vacuum, but is that really an
important goal? If there's frequent vacuums, there got to be a fair
amount of modifications, which ought to lead to re-use of such pages at
a not too far away point?
Greetings,
Andres Freund
