Re: Use of O_DIRECT only for open_* sync options - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

From Bruce Momjian
Subject Re: Use of O_DIRECT only for open_* sync options
Date
Msg-id 201101250019.p0P0Jj900973@momjian.us
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In response to Re: Use of O_DIRECT only for open_* sync options  (Greg Smith <greg@2ndquadrant.com>)
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Greg Smith wrote:
> Bruce Momjian wrote:
> > xlogdefs.h says:
> >
> > /*
> >  *  Because O_DIRECT bypasses the kernel buffers, and because we never
> >  *  read those buffers except during crash recovery, it is a win to use
> >  *  it in all cases where we sync on each write().  We could allow O_DIRECT
> >  *  with fsync(), but because skipping the kernel buffer forces writes out
> >  *  quickly, it seems best just to use it for O_SYNC.  It is hard to imagine
> >  *  how fsync() could be a win for O_DIRECT compared to O_SYNC and O_DIRECT.
> >  *  Also, O_DIRECT is never enough to force data to the drives, it merely
> >  *  tries to bypass the kernel cache, so we still need O_SYNC or fsync().
> >  */
> >
> > This seems wrong because fsync() can win if there are two writes before
> > the sync call.  Can kernels not issue fsync() if the write was O_DIRECT?
> > If that is the cause, we should document it.
> >   
> 
> The comment does look busted, because you did imagine exactly a case 
> where they might be combined.  The only incompatibility that I'm aware 
> of is that O_DIRECT requires reads and writes to be aligned properly, so 
> you can't use it in random application code unless it's aware of that.  
> O_DIRECT and fsync are compatible; for example, MySQL allows combining 
> the two:  http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.1/en/innodb-parameters.html
> 
> (That whole bit of documentation around innodb_flush_method includes 
> some very interesting observations around O_DIRECT actually)
> 
> I'm starting to consider the idea that much of the performance gains 
> seen on earlier systems with O_DIRECT was because it decreased CPU usage 
> shuffling things into the OS cache, rather than its impact on avoiding 
> pollution of said cache.  On Linux for example, its main accomplishment 
> is decribed like this:  "File I/O is done directly to/from user space 
> buffers."  
> http://www.kernel.org/doc/man-pages/online/pages/man2/open.2.html  The 
> earliest paper on the implementation suggests a big decrease in CPU 
> overhead from that:  
> http://www.ukuug.org/events/linux2001/papers/html/AArcangeli-o_direct.html
> 
> Impossible to guess whether that's more true ("CPU cache pollution is a 
> bigger problem now") or less true ("drives are much slower relative to 
> CPUs now") today.  I'm trying to remain agnostic and let the benchmarks 
> offer an opinion instead.

Agreed.  Perhaps we need a separate setting to turn direct I/O on and
off, and decouple wal_sync_method and direct I/O.

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