On 12/4/24 10:01, Daniel Gustafsson wrote:
>> On 4 Dec 2024, at 15:52, Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com> wrote:
>>
>> On 12/4/24 09:45, Daniel Gustafsson wrote:
>>>> On 4 Dec 2024, at 15:40, Joe Conway <mail@joeconway.com> wrote:
>>>> On 12/4/24 09:33, Daniel Gustafsson wrote:
>>>>> since OpenSSL 1.1.1 cannot operate in FIPS mode.
>>>> I don't think that is correct. The RHEL 8 openssl which was FIPS 140-2 validated is 1.1.1k. See:
>>>>
https://csrc.nist.gov/CSRC/media/projects/cryptographic-module-validation-program/documents/security-policies/140sp4642.pdf
>>> Does RHEL publish the source of their fork somewhere? In OpenSSL 1.1.1 the
>>> code for FIPS_mode is:
>>> int FIPS_mode(void)
>>> {
>>> /* This version of the library does not support FIPS mode. */
>>> return 0;
>>> }
>>> Do you know if RHEL patched OpenSSL to allow FIPS_mode() to return other than 0
>>> or if that function is useless regardless?
>>
>> Yes the RHEL and OpenSUSE rpms for openssl are heavily patched for the FIPS versions, as is the Ubuntu one. It has
beena while but last time I looked at all of this they were all using very similar patches to allow the "system wide"
FIPSmode rather than depending on the app to explicitly go into FIPS_mode().
>>
>> I can look for links, but investigating it involved (for example) installing the source rpm and then wading through
hundredsof patches in the SOURCE directory.
I can send you the source RPM for openssl 1.1.1c which was an earlier
FIPS validated version, but the main FIPS patch contains:
8<-------------
diff -up openssl-1.1.1b/crypto/o_fips.c.fips openssl-1.1.1b/crypto/o_fips.c
--- openssl-1.1.1b/crypto/o_fips.c.fips 2019-02-26 15:15:30.000000000 +0100
+++ openssl-1.1.1b/crypto/o_fips.c 2019-02-28 11:30:06.817745466 +0100
@@ -8,17 +8,28 @@
*/
#include "internal/cryptlib.h"
+#include "internal/fips_int.h"
int FIPS_mode(void)
{
+#ifdef OPENSSL_FIPS
+ return FIPS_module_mode();
+#else
/* This version of the library does not support FIPS mode. */
return 0;
+#endif
}
8<-------------
> While I dislike not having a "follow-the-lib" setting on the GUC and rely on
> the transitive dependency, maybe that's the only option if we can't reliably
> detect the operating mode. Sigh, as if OpenSSL wasn't messy enough even
> without vendor patches =)
Yep, that was my concern. I believe the RHEL, OpenSUSE, and Ubuntu
solutions are very similar, but they may be different enough that it
will be painful to reliably detect FIPS_mode. The RHEL and SUSE source
RPMs were findable. I think to get the Ubuntu FIPS deb I had to pay for
a subscription. But as I said it has been a while so I don't remember
exactly (like 6+ years).
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Joe Conway
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