Re: Is my MySQL Gaining ? - Mailing list pgsql-general

Jeff,

I agree; we have an apparent lack of awareness of many things. IMO this
is more indicative of a lack of a unified presence than anything else.
part of the project is on gborg, part of the project is on advocacy,
.... etc.

How would a newbie know to go look for advocacy.postgresql.org ?.

Dave
On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 10:18, Jeff Eckermann wrote:
> This has been an interesting thread, with lots of well
> considered contributions.  The consensus seems to be
> "PostgreSQL is plenty good enough and more, we just
> need more people to know it, and an easier learning
> path".
>
> What bothers me a little here is an apparent lack of
> awareness of the work of the Advocacy Group.  They
> have been organized for a little over one full release
> cycle, but have already begun to achieve some
> impressive things.  The release of version 7.4 saw a
> well prepared press release, which was subsequently
> picked up by journalists and featured (often lifted
> word for word) in articles in a variety of IT industry
> publications around the world.  The effect was to get
> our marketing material in front of the eyes of many
> readers, without them having to go looking for it at
> all.  When did that happen before?
>
> I cite that as just one example of what can be
> achieved by an organized and co-ordinated approach,
> which is just what the Advocacy Group is working on.
> The scope for more development along these lines is
> huge, all that is needed is the passage of time, and
> hopefully more contributions from more people.  I
> recommend to all those whose interest was caught by
> this thread to check out the pgsql-advocacy list, if
> you have not already done so, and think about what you
> might be able to add.  In answer to the obvious
> question, I have been lurking on that list for a
> while, and intend to make a contribution where I feel
> fitted to do so.
>
> Maybe we need to invent some new solutions, but for
> advocacy at least, we already have one.
>
> --- Ericson Smith <eric@did-it.com> wrote:
> > A documentation system like the one over at
> > http://php.net, would be
> > fantastic for Postgresql. There could be lookups
> > based on SQL commands,
> > Functions, and Sitewide Searches. This alone would
> > go a long way to
> > expose PHP to "the masses".
> >
> > In terms of using MySQL or Postgresql, lets all face
> > it, most data
> > storage work could be easily and efficiently handled
> > by text files,
> > since there needs to be just infrequent inserts and
> > updates, and mostly
> > reads. The majority of interfaces exposed on the web
> > follow this
> > paradigm, and include:
> > * Content management
> > * Catalogs
> > * Shopping cart stuff
> > * User management
> >
> > Yes, our powerful and easy to use PG can do all of
> > that too, but SQLite,
> > Sleepycat DBM files and MySQL can do it as well.
> > There are going to be
> > even more migrations for Oracle to MySQL than from
> > Oracle to PG, because
> > so many of those Oracle installations were overkill
> > in the first place.
> > Our place is in that hoary back end that runs the
> > world, the un-sexy
> > part of any organization that no one outside of the
> > Development team, or
> > System Administrators know about.
> >
> > Getting mindshare is a different problem. That
> > requires PG to have a
> > full time effective press person. This press person
> > would need to be in
> > touch with the press constantly to tell them things
> > like:
> > * PG is a great back for windows clients using
> > ODBC/MS Access/Excel
> > * PG is a "real" database comparable to Oracle
> > * PG costs nothing
> > * Free support is fabulous, and paid support is
> > available
> > * Development is constant
> >
> > In the end, I believe that PG needs to move into an
> > organizational
> > structure so that its considerable assets can be
> > fully realized, its
> > wonderful developers may be fully compensated, and
> > commercial users (our
> > bread and butter), can have an official place to
> > help sponsor features
> > of the system and so on. All this is more than a
> > website. Someone posted
> > pictures of the PG booth at a show recently. It was
> > nice, but there was
> > this one sad guy shrouded in darkness -- I felt
> > depressed, because
> > that's how PG advocacy felt.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> > Ericson Smith
> > DBA/Developer
> >
> +-----------------------+----------------------------+
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Karsten Hilbert wrote:
> >
> > >>I'm in a similar situation. My app is currently
> > PG-only (although I
> > >>_might_ be able to get it work with Firebird
> > eventually). Currently I have
> > >>to sell Linux to prospective clients in addition
> > to my app. A native
> > >>Windows version would make my life a bit easier.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >Same here.
> > >
> > >Our "clients" use legacy medical office software
> > that 99% runs
> > >on Windows. We offer add-ons (tailored
> > mini-versions of our
> > >main application :-) and thus get OSS (Python,
> > PostgreSQL,
> > >wxWindows, sometimes Linux itself) into their
> > offices and onto
> > >their networks. Most of the time the main
> > difficulty is to figure
> > >out how to offer PostgreSQL in their environment
> > (yes, we know
> > >about CygWin).
> > >
> > >("clients" because we don't do business as in
> > selling stuff)
> > >
> > >Karsten Hilbert, MD
> > >
> > >www.gnumed.org
> > >
> > >
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> > fn:Ericson Smith
> > n:Smith;Ericson
> > org:Did-it.com;Programming
> > adr:#304;;55 Maple Avenue;Rockville
> > Center;NY;11570;USA
> > email;internet:eric@did-it.com
> > title:Web Developer
> > tel;work:516-255-0500
> > tel;cell:646-483-3420
> > note:Nothing special!
> > x-mozilla-html:FALSE
> > url:http://www.did-it.com
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