Re: Is my MySQL Gaining ? - Mailing list pgsql-general
From | Keith C. Perry |
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Subject | Re: Is my MySQL Gaining ? |
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Msg-id | 1072728193.3ff0888143061@webmail.vcsn.com Whole thread Raw |
In response to | Re: Is my MySQL Gaining ? (Dave Cramer <pg@fastcrypt.com>) |
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Re: Is my MySQL Gaining ?
(Dave Cramer <pg@fastcrypt.com>)
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List | pgsql-general |
Quoting Dave Cramer <pg@fastcrypt.com>: > Jeff, > > I agree; we have an apparent lack of awareness of many things. IMO this > is more indicative of a lack of a unified presence than anything else. > part of the project is on gborg, part of the project is on advocacy, > .... etc. > > How would a newbie know to go look for advocacy.postgresql.org ?. > > Dave > On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 10:18, Jeff Eckermann wrote: > > This has been an interesting thread, with lots of well > > considered contributions. The consensus seems to be > > "PostgreSQL is plenty good enough and more, we just > > need more people to know it, and an easier learning > > path". > > > > What bothers me a little here is an apparent lack of > > awareness of the work of the Advocacy Group. They > > have been organized for a little over one full release > > cycle, but have already begun to achieve some > > impressive things. The release of version 7.4 saw a > > well prepared press release, which was subsequently > > picked up by journalists and featured (often lifted > > word for word) in articles in a variety of IT industry > > publications around the world. The effect was to get > > our marketing material in front of the eyes of many > > readers, without them having to go looking for it at > > all. When did that happen before? > > > > I cite that as just one example of what can be > > achieved by an organized and co-ordinated approach, > > which is just what the Advocacy Group is working on. > > The scope for more development along these lines is > > huge, all that is needed is the passage of time, and > > hopefully more contributions from more people. I > > recommend to all those whose interest was caught by > > this thread to check out the pgsql-advocacy list, if > > you have not already done so, and think about what you > > might be able to add. In answer to the obvious > > question, I have been lurking on that list for a > > while, and intend to make a contribution where I feel > > fitted to do so. > > > > Maybe we need to invent some new solutions, but for > > advocacy at least, we already have one. > > > > --- Ericson Smith <eric@did-it.com> wrote: > > > A documentation system like the one over at > > > http://php.net, would be > > > fantastic for Postgresql. There could be lookups > > > based on SQL commands, > > > Functions, and Sitewide Searches. This alone would > > > go a long way to > > > expose PHP to "the masses". > > > > > > In terms of using MySQL or Postgresql, lets all face > > > it, most data > > > storage work could be easily and efficiently handled > > > by text files, > > > since there needs to be just infrequent inserts and > > > updates, and mostly > > > reads. The majority of interfaces exposed on the web > > > follow this > > > paradigm, and include: > > > * Content management > > > * Catalogs > > > * Shopping cart stuff > > > * User management > > > > > > Yes, our powerful and easy to use PG can do all of > > > that too, but SQLite, > > > Sleepycat DBM files and MySQL can do it as well. > > > There are going to be > > > even more migrations for Oracle to MySQL than from > > > Oracle to PG, because > > > so many of those Oracle installations were overkill > > > in the first place. > > > Our place is in that hoary back end that runs the > > > world, the un-sexy > > > part of any organization that no one outside of the > > > Development team, or > > > System Administrators know about. > > > > > > Getting mindshare is a different problem. That > > > requires PG to have a > > > full time effective press person. This press person > > > would need to be in > > > touch with the press constantly to tell them things > > > like: > > > * PG is a great back for windows clients using > > > ODBC/MS Access/Excel > > > * PG is a "real" database comparable to Oracle > > > * PG costs nothing > > > * Free support is fabulous, and paid support is > > > available > > > * Development is constant > > > > > > In the end, I believe that PG needs to move into an > > > organizational > > > structure so that its considerable assets can be > > > fully realized, its > > > wonderful developers may be fully compensated, and > > > commercial users (our > > > bread and butter), can have an official place to > > > help sponsor features > > > of the system and so on. All this is more than a > > > website. Someone posted > > > pictures of the PG booth at a show recently. It was > > > nice, but there was > > > this one sad guy shrouded in darkness -- I felt > > > depressed, because > > > that's how PG advocacy felt. > > > > > > Warm regards, > > > Ericson Smith > > > DBA/Developer > > > > > +-----------------------+----------------------------+ > > > | http://www.did-it.com | "When I'm paid, I always > > > | > > > | eric@did-it.com | follow the job through. > > > | > > > | 516-255-0500 | You know that." -Angel > > > Eyes| > > > > > +-----------------------+----------------------------+ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Karsten Hilbert wrote: > > > > > > >>I'm in a similar situation. My app is currently > > > PG-only (although I > > > >>_might_ be able to get it work with Firebird > > > eventually). Currently I have > > > >>to sell Linux to prospective clients in addition > > > to my app. A native > > > >>Windows version would make my life a bit easier. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >Same here. > > > > > > > >Our "clients" use legacy medical office software > > > that 99% runs > > > >on Windows. We offer add-ons (tailored > > > mini-versions of our > > > >main application :-) and thus get OSS (Python, > > > PostgreSQL, > > > >wxWindows, sometimes Linux itself) into their > > > offices and onto > > > >their networks. Most of the time the main > > > difficulty is to figure > > > >out how to offer PostgreSQL in their environment > > > (yes, we know > > > >about CygWin). > > > > > > > >("clients" because we don't do business as in > > > selling stuff) > > > > > > > >Karsten Hilbert, MD > > > > > > > >www.gnumed.org > > > > > > > > > > > > begin:vcard > > > fn:Ericson Smith > > > n:Smith;Ericson > > > org:Did-it.com;Programming > > > adr:#304;;55 Maple Avenue;Rockville > > > Center;NY;11570;USA > > > email;internet:eric@did-it.com > > > title:Web Developer > > > tel;work:516-255-0500 > > > tel;cell:646-483-3420 > > > note:Nothing special! > > > x-mozilla-html:FALSE > > > url:http://www.did-it.com > > > version:2.1 > > > end:vcard > > > > > > > > > > ---------------------------(end of > > > broadcast)--------------------------- > > > TIP 8: explain analyze is your friend > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. > > http://photos.yahoo.com/ > > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > > TIP 2: you can get off all lists at once with the unregister command > > (send "unregister YourEmailAddressHere" to majordomo@postgresql.org) > > > -- > Dave Cramer > 519 939 0336 > ICQ # 1467551 > > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)--------------------------- > TIP 6: Have you searched our list archives? > > http://archives.postgresql.org > Dave, I'm not trying to be curt with you or anything but a serious questions, did you not see the links on the right side of http://www.postgresql.org under where it says websites? -- Keith C. Perry, MS E.E. Director of Networks & Applications VCSN, Inc. http://vcsn.com ____________________________________ This email account is being host by: VCSN, Inc : http://vcsn.com
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