Re: Certification Available +Pronounce - Mailing list pgsql-advocacy
From | Brian Kilpatrick |
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Subject | Re: Certification Available +Pronounce |
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Msg-id | c7c9eca950d45f30dabc18847c904e3a@sraapowergres.com Whole thread Raw |
In response to | Re: Certification Available +Pronounce (Robert Cleary <robert.cleary@ul.ie>) |
List | pgsql-advocacy |
I want to chime in a bit here, and just perhaps add a few things and repeat a few thing, perhaps. I have been though a couple of IT training classes and certs in the day. And at the end of the day a lot of the reasons that certs exist are not due to the lack of technical ability of the people (as the postgres community clearly shows), but from a PHB management POV its a psychological thing. In the beginning a certification value is that of soothing the nerves of people as to have some kind of 'proof' that at least someone else claims a person can at least pass an exam. Later on as the field spreads out, a good training program and valid cert will help bring others in from associated fields and lend credibility. Credibility begats acceptance, acceptance begats usage, usage begats jobs; and so on. There are things to shake out along the way, but in the long run, having training and certification for the purpose of building a qualified group of people is the right way to go. As an aside, having been a computer/network tech for 10+ years, I have studied for the A+ exam, and never taken it. I found the sample tests to be filled with 'useless' reference material, and not very helpful for actual real world issues. There is a reason why there are reference manuals, so you dont have to memorize infrequently used minutia. Brian On Oct 5, 2005, at 1:04 PM, Robert Cleary wrote: > I think this is the point where i humbly retreat, > i still think it's a fair argument that a certification would > improve popularity - but for the aforesaid reasons, its probably not > worth-it > based on the pros and cons. > thanks for the insight. > Josh Berkus wrote:Robert, >> >> >>> If certifications are seen in a bad-light, I believe it's directly >>> because people sell-out their principles, or just plain set-out to >>> make >>> cash. >>> >> Well, actually: you're asking a group of users and proponents of an >> OSS RDBMS >> that has no certifications, and until a few years ago wasn't >> supported by any >> large companies and didn't have any compliance certificates or major >> reference implementations, what they think of certifications. What >> answer >> did you expect to get? >> >> Serious hackers never like certifications; they see them as something >> that >> their boss is liable to waste their time making them take. The >> people who >> like certifications will not generally be subscribed to this list. >> >> >>> This might be a mad-idea, but if you can build an open-source DBMS, >>> why >>> can't you build a certification by the same process?: open-source >>> collaboration for its inception, elaboration, construction and >>> deployment? >>> >> Well, first off, how would you keep the questions secret from >> potential >> test-takers? Also, keep in mind that designing a good certification >> exam is >> a lot of work, like 1000 hours of work. >> >> I'm lazy ... I'd rather just let SRA do their thing. ;-) >> >> >
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