Re: PHP/Postgresql Advocacy - Mailing list pgsql-advocacy

> 3) Are personal insults the preferred method of discussion in PostgreSQL community?

Alex, please do not pursue this. Marc was wrong in his response but
continuing at least this part of the thread will not help the situation.

Sincerely,

Joshua D. Drake



>
>
> Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> >>>and that it does *need* to be fixed ... hell, everyone on the list even
> >>>welcomes Alexey's input and work towards fixing it ... what nobody is
> >>>welcoming is his "do it my way or no way" attitude ...
> >>
> >>I guess I didn't get that from his posts. I just got that he is frustrated
> >>because he is passionate about PostgreSQL but it seems that the website
> >>and web community around it is so difficult to deal with.
> >
> >
> > You must have missed his original thread then, when he vehemently(sp?)
> > argued that we should give him full CVS access to change the web site
> > because the mock up he showed us of what he wanted to do was sooooo vastly
> > superior to what is there now ...
> >
> >
> >>I actually don't know if the web community is difficult to deal with so
> >>I can speak to that.
> >
> >
> > They aren't ... there is a mailing list setup for discussing the technical
> > www issues ... it is a fairly large list, but it isn't an open list (ie.
> > subscriptions are mooerated to the extent of 'you want to be on it, let
> > Dave know and he'll add you' ... basically, if you are interested enough
> > in being a part of it to ask to be apart of it, you'll get added ... we
> > have no 'full time, that is all they do, web developer', everything is
> > like -hackesr ... a volunteer group that does what they can, when they can
> > ...
> >
> > Alexey came along from the start with "give me the reins and I'll fix all
> > the problems" ... and even that wouldn't been so bad, except he came out
> > of no where, told everyone they were doing it all wrong, and that his way
> > was better ...
> >
> > That put the hackles up on everyones necks who have been spending their
> > spare time trying to clean up the web sites and improve them ...
> >
> > Nobody has once stated that Alexey doesn't have anything to contribute ...
> > and alot of effort has been made by several to 'steer him' into the
> > sequence of steps that has been determined need to be done to improve
> > things ... but, I know in my case at least, any positive benefits Alexey
> > can bring to the community are being heavily negated by his temper
> > tantrums ...
> >
> > So, do we think Alexey has something to contribute?  Yes, definitely ...
> >
> >
> >>Sure... but to some degree he is right.
> >
> >
> > Guess it depends on how you parent ... my 2 year old throws temper
> > tantrums ... we put her on the floor and let her yell her lungs out until
> > she decides that she's just not makign as much headway as she could be
> > making ...
> >
> > Alexey, right now, is about in the same league ... he could get alot more
> > done, faster, if we didn't have to wait out his temper tantrums ...
>
>

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