Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Webpages Online - Mailing list pgsql-announce

Sorry Mike, but ... if we wanted boring, we'd be still running a gopher
server :(  When Vince and gang started working on revamping the site, I
asked for but one thing...something that was visually appealling, and,
IMHO, that is what they provided.  

What you show as an example below is more suited, IMHO, to a gopher site
then a WWW site.  I wasn't looking for 101 graphics to slow down download,
only something that didn't put me to sleep mentally looking at it...

I believe that Vince and gang has succeeded in doing that, and, with some
of the more constructive critism's that I've seen come throgh on how to
improve the frames, I personally feel that they are doing a good job
maintaining and improving the site...
On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Mike Meyer wrote:

> Did you go look at the two *visible* examples I gave of an alternative
> design?
> 
> Since my graphic design skills are minimal, and the PostGreSQL pages
> has display nearly *all* the problems associated with vanity sites
> whose goal is to show off the graphic designers ability and not
> provide information, I figured there wasn't much point, as I'd provide
> a nice, simple site that loaded fast and displayed the information in
> a readable form on pretty much any browser.
> 
> Since you whined about it, though - I did a quick front page
> mockup. On the way I fixed the badly broken HTML by adding a TITLE,
> making sure the image had an ALT tag so those who are using
> non-graphical browsers, have images disabled, or have vision problems
> can see them, fixed a typo in an anchor tag (may have introduced that
> one myself - I can't check the original now), ditched the more
> egregious of the formatting cruft, and in general made the HTML legal.
> 
> If you really want to see it, it's at <URL:
> http://www.phone.net/home/mwm/postgresql.html >. It's not pretty - but
> it can be bookmarked, and shows up sane in history lists, and I can
> use it on my cell phone, none of which is true of either old site.
> 
> Interesting - the old site is back. It still has the frames (which, as
> a number of people have pointed out, are problematical), and I suspect
> the HTML is as broken as it was before, but haven't checked.
> 
>     <mike
> 
> On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, The Hermit Hacker wrote:
> 
> > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:19:16 -0300 (ADT)
> > From: The Hermit Hacker <scrappy@hub.org>
> > To: Mike Meyer <mwm@phone.net>
> > Cc: Oliver Andrich <olli@rhein-zeitung.de>, Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>,
>      announce@postgreSQL.org, hackers@postgreSQL.org, webmaster@postgreSQL.org
> > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Webpages Online
> > 
> > On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Mike Meyer wrote:
> > 
> > > How about ditching the frames entirely? Not only are they
> > > problematical from a UI perspective, they're now passe. See <URL:
> > > http://www.python.org/ > or <URL: http://www.freebsd.org/ > for a more
> > > modern design.
> > > 
> > > Of course, pages that put everything in a table to do layout load slow
> > > and tend to come out ugly on anything that isn't pretty much a clone
> > > of the designers system, but they beat frames hollow.
> > 
> > Ya know what I'm finding really passe?  Ppl that come up with these
> > critisms but really don't present an alternative?  I personally like the
> > frames...I like not having to reload everything when only one piece
> > changes...I thnk it *looks* nice...
> > 
> > Of course, if you have a better idea of how the site should be lay'd out,
> > please feel free to provide a *visible* example of your thoughts...
> > 
> > 
> >  > >     <mike
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 9 Apr 1999, Oliver Andrich wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Date: Fri, 9 Apr 1999 09:44:19 +0200
> > > > From: Oliver Andrich <olli@rhein-zeitung.de>
> > > > To: Vince Vielhaber <vev@michvhf.com>
> > > > Cc: announce@postgreSQL.org, hackers@postgreSQL.org, webmaster@postgreSQL.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] New Webpages Online
> > > > 
> > > > Hi,
> > > > 
> > > > ok I am new to PostgreSQL and my mirror of the PostgreSQL pages is quite new,
> > > > but I have to comment on this webpage design. I am not sure on what machines
> > > > you work or what resolutions your display provides, but on my machine the page
> > > > uses only 1/2 of the possible space in the web browser and it is really ugly
> > > > to read the manuals in 16 line frame. Isn't it possible to design the frameset
> > > > in a more flexible way? The fixed heights of the individual rows are really,
> > > > really ugly.
> > > > 
> > > > How about defining the top level frameset as <frameset border=0 frameborder=no
> > > > rows="120,*,10%"> or so. Mixing fixed values, wildcards and percentage values
> > > > is really bad style, but this is just a hint. And may be we should think about
> > > > displaying the elephant besides the logo, cause it wastes a lot of valuable
> > > > place in the middle frame.
> > > > 
> > > > Just my $0.02.
> > > > 
> > > > Best regards,
> > > > 
> > > >     Oliver Andrich
> > > > 
> > > > On Thu, Apr 08, 1999 at 04:48:29PM -0400, Vince Vielhaber wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > The new web pages are now online.  All new look.  All new feel.  All new
> > > > > logos.  All new.................
> > > > > 
> > > > > Vince.
> > > > > -- 
> > > > > ==========================================================================
> > > > > Vince Vielhaber -- KA8CSH   email: vev@michvhf.com   flame-mail: /dev/null
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> > > > > ==========================================================================
> > > > > 
> > > > > 
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> > > 
> > 
> > Marc G. Fournier                   ICQ#7615664               IRC Nick: Scrappy
> > Systems Administrator @ hub.org 
> > primary: scrappy@hub.org           secondary: scrappy@{freebsd|postgresql}.org 
> > 
> > 
> 

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