On Tue, Apr 12, 2016 at 11:07:04PM +0300, Oleg Bartunov wrote:
Our roadmap http://www.postgresql.org/developer/roadmap/ is the problem. We don't have clear roadmap and that's why we cannot plan future feature full release. There are several postgres-centric companies, which have most of developers, who do all major contributions. All these companies has their roadmaps, but not the community.
I would be concerned if company roadmaps overtly affected the community roadmap. In general, I find company roadmaps to be very short-sighted and quickly changed based on the demands of specific users/customers --- something we don't want to imitate.
We do want company roadmaps to affect the community roadmap, but in a healthy, long-term way, and I think, in general, that is happening.
The roadmap is not the problem it is the lack of cooperation. Many companies are now developing features in a silo and then presenting them to the community. Instead we should be working with those companies to have them develop transparently so others can be a part of the process.
We are working on our roadmap to have it in form to be presented to the community. I think we'll publish it somewhere in wiki.
If the feature is going to be submitted to core anyway (or open source) why wouldn't we just do that? Why wouldn't EDB develop directly within the Pg infrastructure. Why wouldn't we build teams around the best and brightest between EDB, 2Q and Citus?
This is what I suggested. Features considered to be open source could be discussed and developed together.
Egos.
Consider PgLogical, who is working on this outside of 2Q? Where is the git repo for it? Where is the bug tracker? Where is the mailing list? Oh, its -hackers, except that it isn't, is it?
It used to be that everyone got together and worked together before the patch review process. Now it seems like it is a competition between companies to see whose ego can get the most inflated via press releases because they developed X for Y.
git log says better than any press releases :)
If the companies were to come together and truly recognize that profit is the reward not the goal then our community would be much stronger for it.
I'd not limited by the companies, individual developes are highly welcome. I'm afraid there are some.
Sincerely,
JD
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