On Fri, Feb 18, 2022 at 3:41 PM Peter Geoghegan <pg@bowt.ie> wrote:
> Concerns about my general approach to this project (and even the
> Postgres 14 VACUUM work) were expressed by Robert and Andres over on
> the "Nonrandom scanned_pages distorts pg_class.reltuples set by
> VACUUM" thread. Some of what was said honestly shocked me. It now
> seems unwise to pursue this project on my original timeline. I even
> thought about shelving it indefinitely (which is still on the table).
>
> I propose the following compromise: the least contentious patch alone
> will be in scope for Postgres 15, while the other patches will not be.
> I'm referring to the first patch from v8, which adds dynamic tracking
> of the oldest extant XID in each heap table, in order to be able to
> use it as our new relfrozenxid. I can't imagine that I'll have
> difficulty convincing Andres of the merits of this idea, for one,
> since it was his idea in the first place. It makes a lot of sense,
> independent of any change to how and when we freeze.
>
> The first patch is tricky, but at least it won't require elaborate
> performance validation. It doesn't change any of the basic performance
> characteristics of VACUUM. It sometimes allows us to advance
> relfrozenxid to a value beyond FreezeLimit (typically only possible in
> an aggressive VACUUM), which is an intrinsic good. If it isn't
> effective then the overhead seems very unlikely to be noticeable. It's
> pretty much a strictly additive improvement.
>
> Are there any objections to this plan?
I really like the idea of reducing the scope of what is being changed
here, and I agree that eagerly advancing relfrozenxid carries much
less risk than the other changes.
I'd like to have a clearer idea of exactly what is in each of the
remaining patches before forming a final opinion.
What's tricky about 0001? Does it change any other behavior, either as
a necessary component of advancing relfrozenxid more eagerly, or
otherwise?
If there's a way you can make the precise contents of 0002 and 0003
more clear, I would like that, too.
--
Robert Haas
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