Re: Code of Conduct plan - Mailing list pgsql-general

From Tom Lane
Subject Re: Code of Conduct plan
Date
Msg-id 4258.1528174513@sss.pgh.pa.us
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In response to Re: Code of Conduct plan  (Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com>)
Responses Re: Code of Conduct plan
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Adrian Klaver <adrian.klaver@aklaver.com> writes:
> On 06/03/2018 11:29 AM, Tom Lane wrote:
>> https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct
>> We are now asking for a final round of community comments.

> My comments:

> 1) Reiterate my contention that this is a solution is search of problem. 

As I mentioned elsewhere, I'm aware of at least one actual case of a
person leaving the community because of harassment.  I do not think
it's a hypothetical problem.  Whether a CoC can fix it remains to
be seen, but doing nothing will certainly not fix it.

> 2) "... engaging in behavior that may bring the PostgreSQL project into 
> disrepute, ..."
> This to me is overly broad and pulls in actions that may happen outside 
> the community. Those if they are actually an issue should be handled 
> where they occur not here.

See discussion elsewhere in thread, particularly the FreeBSD precedent
about actions "outside the community".  We shouldn't be too legalistic
about exactly where that boundary is.

> 3) "... members must be sensitive to conduct that may be considered 
> offensive by fellow members and must refrain from engaging in such 
> conduct. "
> Again overly broad, especially given the hypersensitivity of people 
> these days. I have found that it is enough to disagree with someone to 
> have it called offensive. This section should be removed as proscribed 
> behavior is called out in detail in the paragraphs above it.

I'm not following this complaint.  That's part of the conclusion,
which is *supposed* to restate what came before it, with more concision
and hence necessarily less precision.

            regards, tom lane


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