Re: Ammunition - Mailing list pgsql-advocacy

To me, the big MySQL issue is that it isn't an open source development
project, just a company that distributes code via open source.  They
will never be able to keep up with us.

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Christopher Browne wrote:
> acc@anthonychavez.org writes:
> > The main reason that I chose PostgreSQL as my focus all these years
> > is a simple (and important) one: ACID compliance.  But beyond that,
> > I'm clueless.  I don't have as much exposure to MySQL as I should.
> > So any pointers and ammo that you can offer would certainly be
> > appreciated.
>
> I think the idea is to instead ask pointed questions.
>
> A good start is to ask about what is going on with the licensing
> changes, and whether this is really compatible with "free software."
>
> After all, the makers of Linux don't expect that you buy a commercial
> license to Linux in order to use it in commercial contexts.  Nor do
> the makers of OpenOffice.org, GNOME, KDE, GTk, or GCC.  Nor do the
> makers of FreeBSD, NetBSD, OpenBSD.
>
> What is it that makes MySQL AB so special that they should _expect_ to
> be paid $450/box for "commercial use" when all these other prominent
> free software projects don't make such demands?
>
> The other place to be pointed is in asking what's up with the SAP-DB
> "integration" effort.  Some interesting things there:
>
> -> Some users of SAP-DB are very concerned about the licensing
>    changes, as their business model involved using SAP-DB as
>    licensing-fee-free software, just like Linux and other free
>    software.
>
> -> Some SAP-DB users have considered developing their own ODBC/JDBC
>    drivers and licensing them under the LGPL so that client software
>    would not have to be licensed under the GPL.  What do they think
>    of that idea?
>
> -> In what way will SAP-DB be likely to replace any or all of the
>    existing MySQL code base?
>
> My suspicion is that this integration project might easily be the
> death of the company, as it seems quite risky.  The code base for
> SAP-DB is quite scary; lots of old legacy mainframe code in there.
> Changing the SAP-DB code to conform with what MySQL needs strikes me
> as being a potentially huge morass.  And if they get into any sort of
> "morass," that'll eat the $19.5M of capital pretty quick.
>
> I just can't see what would get "integrated."  Pulling in chunks of
> SAP-DB code to provide implementations of things that MySQL is missing
> seems just supremely unlikely.  The only way for it to _actually_ work
> is for them to (say) replace the whole MySQL backend with SAP-DB.
>
> Of course, if they do _that_, it begs the question of why.  Why, if
> MySQL AB's engine is good, would MySQL AB want to throw away their own
> engine in favor of someone else's?
>
> I'm quite honestly curious as to what the "endgame" is supposed to be
> with MySQL+SAP-DB.  All the ones I can imagine seem strange.
>
> I'm intentionally suggesting that you ask questions, as opposed to
> "Here's why PostgreSQL is better!" arguments.  It's likely NOT in good
> taste to try to steal thunder by doing direct PG advocacy.
>
> I have been at LUG meetings where someone (who shall remain nameless,
> since his name resembles that of a regular participant here, and the
> confusion would just cause grief, especially since that participant
> signs my expense and vacation forms :-)) heckled assorted speakers who
> spoke on Java and Python, because he's immensely excited about some of
> the upcoming Perl 6 technology.  The heckler irritated practically
> everyone by virtually trying to hijack the talk.  Don't be him :-).
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