Re: Is my MySQL Gaining ? - Mailing list pgsql-general

Quoting Dave Cramer <pg@fastcrypt.com>:

> Keith,
>
> In principal it can, however lets say that I am a complete newbie to
> postgres and I want to use my favourite interface odbc, jdbc, .... etc.
>
> So I download the source tarball and build it, then I goto find my
> interface ... and it isn't there ( in all fairness jdbc is still there
> but that won't be true shortly )
>
> The same is true for most tools; psql being the exception
>
> Now what do I do, I have to hunt around for the tools looking through a
> myriad of projects on gborg, go to the lists etc.

The current README (well the 7.4 one) could do a better job of saying that gborg
is where you should look for links for all things PG.  I wouldn't say that you
have to "hunt" for things though.

> Admittedly this deterrent won't stop a determined newbie from finding
> what they are after, but I'm sure there are some folk who would just
> assume that postgres is deficient in this area. Note some previous posts
> from others which demonstrates my point.
> http://archives.postgresql.org/pgsql-general/2003-12/msg01358.php
>
> This gentleman finally found pgadmin III which solved his problem. But
> I'm sure he had to look for it.

Short of the README file with the source release and reorganizing the web site.
 I don't see what else could be done.  I sincerely hope we're not going the path
of MS and trying to make things "idiot proof".  PostgreSQL is robust complex
product and at a certain point I would think the powers that be would have to
say enough is enough as it relates to trying to make things easy.

On a side note though, I did try to search of "php interface" (something I know
nothing about as it relates to PG) from the search link on the main website and
I had to cancel it because it never returned anything after several minutes.
That definitely would be frustrating to a new/prospective user.



>
> Dave
> On Sun, 2003-12-28 at 13:00, Keith C. Perry wrote:
> > I've asked this before and I'll apologize now if there was a response but
> how
> > does http://gborg.postgresql.org NOT fill this.
> >
> > Quoting Chris Travers <chris@travelamericas.com>:
> >
> > > Hi all;
> > >
> > > The problem with trying to maintain an image of unity is that PostgreSQL
> is
> > > moving in a direction of being sort of like a kernel.  In this sense, we
> > > already are unified.  But regarding new types, client libs, etc. then
> unity
> > > is neither necessary nor desirable IMO.
> > >
> > > If that is something that some people see here as important, maybe they
> can
> > > start their own PostgreSQL "distributions."  Maybe we can link to them
> via
> > > the PostgreSQL advocacy site :-)
> > >
> > > Best Wishes,
> > > Chris Travers
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dave Cramer" <pg@fastcrypt.com>
> > > To: "Robert Treat" <xzilla@users.sourceforge.net>
> > > Cc: "Marc G. Fournier" <scrappy@postgresql.org>;
> > > <pgsql-general@postgresql.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, December 28, 2003 5:31 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [GENERAL] Is my MySQL Gaining ?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Well, I'm not suggesting  that we force them to do anything, just give
> > > > the appearance of unity, this should be possible with tools available,
> > > > no?
> > > >
> > > > Dave
> > > > On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 16:57, Robert Treat wrote:
> > > > > But your examples also lists things like interface libraries. For
> > > > > postgresql to do that, we would have to pick specific interfaces
> > > > > applications / libraries, then have them all centralize their
> > > > > development/release process around the main distribution. If you can
> get
> > > > > everyone to agree to this (and I recommend starting by picking the
> > > > > official python interface), we can start down a unified path, but I
> > > > > don't see it happening.
> > > > >
> > > > > Robert Treat
> > > > >
> > > > > On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 09:41, Dave Cramer wrote:
> > > > > > Regardless of the reasons, perception is reality. If we appear to
> be
> > > > > > disheveled then we are.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I would think that it should be possible to give the appearance of
> > > unity
> > > > > > without actually requiring a full time web-master?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dave
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On Fri, 2003-12-26 at 12:43, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > > > > > > On Fri, 26 Dec 2003, Dave Cramer wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > One thing that they do have over postgres is a unified
> experience,
> > > one
> > > > > > > > doesn't have to go to n different sites to find things, such
> as
> > > > > > > > interface libraries, advocacy sites, development sites, etc.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Course they don't ... cause they have one, full time, paid
> webmaster
> > > that
> > > > > > > has nothing else on his plate ... one advantage to being able to
> > > control
> > > > > > > everything is the ability to keep everything centralized ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >  >
> > > > > > > > Dave
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Fri, 2003-12-26 at 11:53, Marc G. Fournier wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Fri, 26 Dec 2003, B. van Ouwerkerk wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I think I will switch to PG anywhere soon but sometimes
> it's
> > > hard to
> > > > > > > > > > find whatever information I need. Google is a great help
> but I
> > > would
> > > > > > > > > > expect it in the docs.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Like ... ?
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----
> > > > > > > > > Marc G. Fournier           Hub.Org Networking Services
> > > (http://www.hub.org)
> > > > > > > > > Email: scrappy@hub.org           Yahoo!: yscrappy
> > > ICQ: 7615664
> > > > > > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------(end of
> broadcast)---------------------------
> > > > TIP 3: if posting/reading through Usenet, please send an appropriate
> > > >       subscribe-nomail command to majordomo@postgresql.org so that
> your
> > > >       message can get through to the mailing list cleanly
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------(end of broadcast)---------------------------
> > > TIP 4: Don't 'kill -9' the postmaster
> > >
> >
>


--
Keith C. Perry, MS E.E.
Director of Networks & Applications
VCSN, Inc.
http://vcsn.com

____________________________________
This email account is being host by:
VCSN, Inc : http://vcsn.com