Re: PGXLOG variable worthwhile? - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

It seems all of this discussion misses the point. Either it has a large
amount of impact and the idea gets rejected because of implementation
issues, or it has little impact but it's nothing the core group wants to
implement. If the problem is finding someone to implement it, it sounds
like Justin has found such a person, so are we going to stand in his way
while we wax poetic about OS religion and corporate philosophies or can
he start submitting patches?

Robert Treat

On Mon, 2002-09-16 at 14:11, Justin Clift wrote:
> Peter Eisentraut wrote:
> > 
> > Justin Clift writes:
> > 
> > > WinNT/2k/XP costs a few hundred dollars.
> > >
> > > MS SQL Server costs a few thousand dollars.
> > 
> > The places that run Windows can be categorized into three camps:
> <snip>
> 
> How about this?
> 
> The places that run Windows can be categorised a number of different
> ways, depending on what you're looking for.
> 
> 1) Places that have in-house staff that can do or learn everything.
> 
> Many of these places are really small, some are not.  PostgreSQL fits
> well here, Windows or not, as these people are prepared to learn how to
> use it best.
> 
> 
> 2) Companies that hire external IT services.
> 
> Often the software implemented here will be dependent on outside sources
> of advice such as consultants, executives who take an interest in IT
> mags, etc.
> 
> Look at Windows NT on the server in the first place.  Microsoft
> leveraged the marketplace through making itself available then promoting
> the heck out of itself into the IT press, industry mags, etc.
> 
> These places will be receptive to PostgreSQL as our reputation further
> becomes known and they can see where PostgreSQL will be useful to them. 
> PostgreSQL on Win NT/2K/XP will definitely be of use to a sizable number
> of these businesses.
> 
> 
> 3) Companies who depend on multiple external sources of IT support. 
> i.e. One reasonable sized enterprise here in Australia has over 450
> *development* companies presently working on applications for their
> environment.  Because of the scope of standardisation needed, they
> standardised on WinNT many years ago.  It still works for them.  They
> don't even have SP6 installed on their desktops as it breaks too many of
> the desktop applications.  etc.
> 
> These people are not clueless.  They make strategic decisions when
> they're necessary, and it all comes down to flexibility, reliability,
> and cost.
> 
> For some things they run Unix, or Windows, or Novell, or OS/390, or any
> number of other stuff.
> 
> Because of the years of experience some of their support companies have
> with WinNT, it works reliably enough for them.  They don't have the
> "need to reboot once per week" thing with their servers.
> 
> These guys will become receptive to PostgreSQL too, and it will be in
> our favour to be able to demonstrate very good performance across all
> platforms that we can, not just our own *personally preferred*
> platforms.
> 
> By giving them options when it doesn't take a *whole bunch of effort* to
> do so, we open up ways for PostgreSQL to be used that we haven't even
> thought of before.  We all know this already. 
> 
> It wouldn't really surprise me greatly if at some point this proved
> beneficial to a non-Windows platform for some reason too.
> 
> :-)
> 
> Regards and best wishes,
> 
> Justin Clift
> 
>  
> > So where is the market?
> > 
> > --
> > Peter Eisentraut   peter_e@gmx.net
> 
> -- 
> "My grandfather once told me that there are two kinds of people: those
> who work and those who take the credit. He told me to try to be in the
> first group; there was less competition there."
>    - Indira Gandhi
> 
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