Re: Code of Conduct plan - Mailing list pgsql-general

On 9/14/18 1:31 AM, Chris Travers wrote:
> 
> 
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:53 PM Tom Lane <tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us 
> <mailto:tgl@sss.pgh.pa.us>> wrote:
> 
>     I wrote:
>      > Stephen Frost <sfrost@snowman.net <mailto:sfrost@snowman.net>>
>     writes:
>      >> We seem to be a bit past that timeline...  Do we have any update
>     on when
>      >> this will be moving forward?
>      >> Or did I miss something?
> 
>      > Nope, you didn't.  Folks have been on holiday which made it hard
>     to keep
>      > forward progress going, particularly with respect to selecting
>     the initial
>      > committee members.  Now that Magnus is back on shore, I hope we can
>      > wrap it up quickly --- say by the end of August.
> 
>     I apologize for the glacial slowness with which this has all been
>     moving.
>     The core team has now agreed to some revisions to the draft CoC based on
>     the comments in this thread; see
> 
>     https://wiki.postgresql.org/wiki/Code_of_Conduct
> 
>     (That's the updated text, but you can use the diff tool on the page
>     history tab to see the changes from the previous draft.)
> 
> 
> I really have to object to this addition:
> "This Code is meant to cover all interaction between community members, 
> whether or not it takes place within postgresql.org 
> <http://postgresql.org> infrastructure, so long as there is not another 
> Code of Conduct that takes precedence (such as a conference's Code of 
> Conduct)."

I second that objection. It is not in PGDG's remit to cure the world, 
for whatever form of cure you ascribe to. This is especially true as 
'community member' has no strict definition.

> 
> That covers things like public twitter messages over live political 
> controversies which might not be personally directed.   At least if one 
> is going to go that route, one ought to *also* include a safe harbor for 
> non-personally-directed discussions of philosophy, social issues, and 
> politics.  Otherwise, I think this is asking for trouble.  See, for 
> example, what happened with Opalgate and how this could be seen to 
> encourage use of this to silence political controversies unrelated to 
> PostgreSQL.
> 
> 
>     I think we are about ready to announce the initial membership of the
>     CoC committee, as well, but that should be a separate post.
> 
>                              regards, tom lane
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Best Wishes,
> Chris Travers
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