On Fri, Oct 31, 2025 at 4:53 PM Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 31, 2025 at 09:04:32PM +0100, Kai Wagner wrote: > On Fri, Oct 31, 2025 at 7:22 PM Bruce Momjian <bruce@momjian.us> wrote: > > On Fri, Oct 31, 2025 at 06:33:54PM +0100, Álvaro Herrera wrote: > > On 2025-Oct-31, Bruce Momjian wrote: > > > > > Yes, we have been avoiding the masquerade for years. The question is > > > can we continue. From the lack of discussion since April 1, 2025, it > > > seems the answer is yes. > > I think this assumption can be considered a false positive. The main reason > this hasn't surfaced yet is that it first takes some time to adjust, and more > importantly, there are the downstream forks with the necessary changes that are > already in use or continue to be sold. So why stop doing this?
Keep in mind this is coming up seven months after the standard became effective, and it is being brought up by someone from Percona, and not from an end-user. I would have thought we would have had more end users complaining.
> I don't think, as stated initially, that we can continue to ignore this any > longer. As a project, we are losing out on a significant number of users who > are willing to use fully open-source solutions, but are held back due to this > requirement. We had numerous conversations over the last few years, exactly > about this fact, and people went with MySQL, Mongo, or others - not because of > "does this technically make sense to us as engineers, but because they couldn't > fulfill their internal requirements". As Laurenz already stated very well: > "rational arguments are missing the point". > > It's not news that we also tried a way of implementing it. What I would like to > achieve here is a group of interested people who can actually make a call on > how this is envisioned to work. Do we handle everything in core directly, or do > we make all necessary parts extensible? This approach may be more efficient in
We created a group several years ago, got pretty far, but ended up stopping for reasons I stated in my blog. I am not excited about doing this again unless there is a clear change of community opinion, which I have not seen.
We're not complaining because we need TDE sooner than later, and PGDG's opinions on TDE are well known.
