Usenet Discussion Proposal - Mailing list pgsql-novice

This was posted in news.groups, but it was not posted to the list.

                     REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION (RFD)
          unmoderated group comp.databases.postgresql.admin
         unmoderated group comp.databases.postgresql.general
         unmoderated group comp.databases.postgresql.hackers
          unmoderated group comp.databases.postgresql.novice
           unmoderated group comp.databases.postgresql.sql

This is a formal Request For Discussion (RFD) for the creation of
the following worldwide unmoderated Usenet newsgroups:
comp.databases.postgresql.admin, comp.databases.postgresql.general,
comp.databases.postgresql.hackers, comp.databases.postgresql.novice,
comp.databases.postgresql.sql.  This is not a Call for Votes (CFV);
you cannot vote at this time.  Procedural details are below.

CHANGES:

The changes from the previous RFD (for comp.databases.postgresql.general)
are the inclusion of the following groups to the RFD:

unmoderated group comp.databases.postgresql.admin
unmoderated group comp.databases.postgresql.hackers
unmoderated group comp.databases.postgresql.novice
unmoderated group comp.databases.postgresql.sql

The charter has been changed for the comp.databases.postgresql.general
group to the "official" one located at www.postgresql.org.

Charters are added for the admin, hackers, novice and sql groups.
The charters are the official ones located at www.postgresql.org

RATIONALE: all groups

To make the listed postgresql groups proper members of the big eight
hierarchy.  Currently, they are considered "bogus".  A successful
vote for this will result in the named PostgreSQL groups being
available on most well-managed usenet servers.  This will also end
potential confusion to new users as to why their well managed news
provider does not carry the groups.

This will also raise the profile of PostgreSQL by having it listed
among the other Relational Database Management Systems in the offical
big eight comp.databases.* hierarchy.

It will also provide compliance with the usenet rule that those
under the big eight hierarchy have gone through RFD and CFV.

CHARTER: comp.databases.postgresql.admin

This is a general discussion area for users pertaining to the
administration, compilation and installation of PostgreSQL.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.databases.postgresql.general

This is a general discussion area for users.

Do not include any SQL related, administration, installation, or
compilation questions in this group. There are other groups that
can accommodate those needs.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.databases.postgresql.hackers

The PostgreSQL developer's team lives here.

This is for the discussion of current development issues, problems
and bugs and the discussion of proposed new features.

If people in the other groups don't know the answer to a question
and it is likely that only a developer will know the answer, you
may re-post that questionhere. You must try elsewhere first!

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.databases.postgresql.novice

This group is for beginners in using the PostgreSQL database system.
It serves to supplement the other groups, and help answer basic
questions.

END CHARTER.

CHARTER: comp.databases.postgresql.sql

This is a discussion area for users on SQL related matters.

END CHARTER.

PROCEDURE:

This is a request for discussion, not a call for votes.  In this phase
of the process, any potential problems with the proposed newsgroups
should be raised and resolved.  The discussion period will continue
for a minimum of 21 days (starting from when the first RFD for this
proposal is posted to news.announce.newgroups), after which a Call For
Votes (CFV) may be posted by a neutral vote taker if the discussion
warrants it.  Please do not attempt to vote until this happens.

All discussion of this proposal should be posted to news.groups.

This RFD attempts to comply fully with the Usenet newsgroup creation
guidelines outlined in "How to Create a New Usenet Newsgroup" and "How
to Format and Submit a New Group Proposal."  Please refer to these
documents (available in news.announce.newgroups) if you have any
questions about the process.

DISTRIBUTION:

This RFD has been posted to the following newsgroups:

news.announce.newgroups, news.groups

Additionally, pointers will be posted to the affected groups
via another provider:

comp.databases.postgresql.admin
comp.databases.postgresql.general
comp.databases.postgresql.hackers
comp.databases.postgresql.novice
comp.databases.postgresql.sql

Proponent: Mike Cox <mikecoxlinux@yahoo.com>