Re: On-the-fly index tuple deletion vs. hot_standby - Mailing list pgsql-hackers

On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 16, 2011 at 12:02:47AM +0100, Simon Riggs wrote:
>> On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 5:28 AM, Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com> wrote:
>> > On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 04:16:06PM +0100, Simon Riggs wrote:
>> >> On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 3:11 AM, Robert Haas <robertmhaas@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Noah Misch <noah@leadboat.com> wrote:
>> >> >> Assuming that conclusion, I do think it's worth starting
>> >> >> with something simple, even if it means additional bloat on the master in the
>> >> >> wal_level=hot_standby + vacuum_defer_cleanup_age / hot_standby_feedback case.
>> >> >> In choosing those settings, the administrator has taken constructive steps to
>> >> >> accept master-side bloat in exchange for delaying recovery conflict. ?What's
>> >> >> your opinion?
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm pretty disinclined to go tinkering with 9.1 at this point, too.
>> >>
>> >> Not least because a feature already exists in 9.1 to cope with this
>> >> problem: hot standby feedback.
>> >
>> > A standby's receipt of an XLOG_BTREE_REUSE_PAGE record implies that the
>> > accompanying latestRemovedXid preceded or equaled the master's RecentXmin at the
>> > time of issue (see _bt_page_recyclable()). ?Neither hot_standby_feedback nor
>> > vacuum_defer_cleanup_age affect RecentXmin. ?Therefore, neither facility delays
>> > conflicts arising directly from B-tree page reuse. ?See attached test script,
>> > which yields a snapshot conflict despite active hot_standby_feedback.
>>
>> OK, agreed. Bug. Good catch, Noah.
>>
>> Fix is to use RecentGlobalXmin for the cutoff when in Hot Standby
>> mode, so that it is under user control.
>>
>> Attached patch will be applied to head and backpatched to 9.1 and 9.0
>> to fix this.
>
> Thanks.  We still hit a conflict when btpo.xact == RecentGlobalXmin and the
> standby has a transaction older than any master transaction.  This happens
> because the tests at nbtpage.c:704 and procarray.c:1843 both pass when the xid
> exactly is that of the oldest standby transaction (line numbers as of git
> cb94db91b).  I only know this because the test script from my last message hits
> this case; it might never get hit in real usage.  Still, seems like a hole not
> worth leaving.  I think the most-correct fix is to TransactionIdRetreat the
> btpo.xact before using it as xl_btree_reuse_page.lastestRemovedXid.  btpo.xact
> is the first known-safe xid, but latestRemovedXid is the last known-unsafe xmin.

I think you are pointing out another bug, rather than a problem in my
last commit.

The bug was caused by assuming that the xid is a "latestRemovedXid",
as is the case in the rest of Hot Standby, which masks the off-by-one
error through poor use of terms.

I agree with your suggested fix.

Thanks again.

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