Re: About PostgreSQL certification - Mailing list pgsql-hackers
From | Theo Schlossnagle |
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Subject | Re: About PostgreSQL certification |
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Msg-id | 9F035390-BE5C-4E07-A38B-2027BD02B237@omniti.com Whole thread Raw |
In response to | Re: About PostgreSQL certification (Mark Kirkwood <markir@paradise.net.nz>) |
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Re: About PostgreSQL certification
Re: About PostgreSQL certification |
List | pgsql-hackers |
On Jan 23, 2007, at 5:04 PM, Mark Kirkwood wrote: > Theo Schlossnagle wrote: >> On Jan 23, 2007, at 4:33 PM, David Fetter wrote: >>> On Tue, Jan 23, 2007 at 11:52:08AM -0200, Iannsp wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> I did like to know what you think about the postgresql >>>> certifications provided for >>>> >>>> PostgreSQL CE http://www.sraoss.co.jp/postgresql-ce/news_en.html >>>> >>>> CertFirst http://www.certfirst.com/postgreSql.htm >>>> >>>> My question is about the validate of this certification for the >>>> clients. Make difference to be certified? >>> >>> Clueful clients will look unfavorably on any "PostgreSQL >>> certification" you have. They will instead insist on experience and >>> references, as clueful clients do. :) >> I don't believe that's true. Oracle certification means quite a >> bit. Cisco certification is excellent. Sun certification is >> decent. If the PostgreSQL certifications don't mean much it is a >> problem with the particular vendor of the certificate and you (as >> a PostgreSQL entity) should contest their right to use PostgreSQL >> name in their advertising or marketing. Certification programs >> can and should mean something. > > Certification is ok - but is only of actual value when combined > with real experience. The reason I say this is that certification > programs in general can be beaten by various techniques (e.g. > friends, online research, guessing etc). Also over time they are > rendered (almost) useless by the (lucrative) side businesses that > come into being (e.g. 'boot camps', mock exams etc). Get a CCIE and tell me that again :-) When you are handed a complicated network of routers and switches running all sorts of version of IOS and CatOS and you go to lunch, they break it and you have a certain time allotment to fix it all. Most certifications are not simple multiple choice quizes. Just the ones you hear about -- the ones that suck. > I think seeing relevant training courses + experience on a CV > trumps certification anytime - unfortunately a lot of folks out > there are mesmerized by shiny certificates.... Sure. But experience is very hard to get. And since people with PostgreSQL experience are limited, companies adopting it need a good second option -- certified people. // Theo Schlossnagle // CTO -- http://www.omniti.com/~jesus/ // OmniTI Computer Consulting, Inc. -- http://www.omniti.com/
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