Re: [MASSMAIL]Re: Code of Conduct plan - Mailing list pgsql-general

O.K,

Remember my Country Please!!!!.


El 2018-06-05 11:29, Joshua D. Drake escribió:
> On 06/05/2018 07:45 AM, Chris Travers wrote:
> 
>>     It is my hope that PostgreSQL.Org -Core chooses members for that
>>     committee that are exceedingly diverse otherwise it is just an 
>> echo
>>     chamber for a single ideology and that will destroy this 
>> community.
>> 
>> 
>> If I may suggest:  The committee should be international as well and 
>> include people from around the world.  The last thing we want is for 
>> it to be dominated by people from one particular cultural viewpoint.
>> 
> 
> +1
> 
> 
>>     "considered offensive by fellow members"
>> 
>>     Is definitely too broad. The problem comes in here:
>> 
>>         I might possibly say that "I'm the master in this area" when
>>         talking to someone on a technical subject.  In the sense that
>>         I'm better at that particular skill, but some hypersensitive
>>         American could get their knickers in a twist (notice, that in
>>         this context, no gender is implied -- also in using that that
>>         expression "get their knickers in a twist" could offend some
>>         snowflake) claiming that I'm suggesting that whoever
>> 
>> 
>>     "snowflake", I find that term hilarious others find it highly
>>     offensive. Which is correct?
>> 
>> 
>> I agree with both concerns in the above exchange.
>> 
>> This is an economic common project.  The goal should be for people to 
>> come together and act civilly.  Waging culture war using the code of 
>> conduct itself should be a violation of the code of conduct and this 
>> goes on *all* (not just one or two) sides.
>> 
> 
> [snip]
> 
>> 
>>     Yes and that is a problem. We need to have some simple barrier of
>>     acceptance that we are all adults here (or should act like 
>> adults).
>>     Knowing your audience is important.
>> 
>> 
>> I would point out also that the PostgreSQL community is nice and 
>> mature.  At PGConf US I saw what appeared to be two individuals with 
>> red MAGA hats.  And yet everyone managed to be civil.  We manage to do 
>> better than the US does on the whole in this regard and we should be 
>> proud of ourselves.
> 
> To be fair, those were South Africans but yes, nobody gave them any
> public grief as far as I know.
> 
>> 
>>     Correct. I think one way to look at all of this is, "if you 
>> wouldn't
>>     say it to your boss or a client don't say it here". That too has
>>     problems but generally speaking I think it keeps the restrictions
>>     rational.
>> 
>> 
>> I will post a more specific set of thoughts here but in general I 
>> think the presumption ought to be that people are trying to work 
>> together.  Misunderstanding can happen.  But let's try to act in a 
>> collegial and generally respectful way around eachother.
> 
> +1
> 
> JD